Cyprus

[iron maiden]

Trust me Raven, we have had much worse presidents than Bush and luckily i am wise enough not to get into detail or this post would be a mile and an eighth long..

[Nielk1]

There was nothing wrong with Bush. Just because he couldn't talk well (and neither can Obama, but he always follows his speeches so much to the letter without thinking that he doesn't even notice if the teleprompter has the wrong one one). I am tired of all the hoot Bush bashing, he DID NOT know anything that it is claimed he knew, HE DID NOT LIE, HE DID NOT GO TO WAR FOR OIL. He did everything he did because of information given to him by the people who should have known what was right and what was wrong.

The world did not hate us because of Bush, that is nothing more than a ludicrous claim used to help get Obama elected. Sure some of them might not of liked us, but we were not hated or thought down of. Now, with Obama, all he does is go around apologizing for the US for things we DID NOT DO WRONG. So the world NOW things down of us.

Note everything I said before about leaving the country for first hand experience being ill advised was not true at the time Bush was a president. And might I additionally put forth that many things Bush is blamed for are actually the thought of Clinton and the repercussions of things he did as president, or things done by other members of the government. Obama is actually the one going around making us look bad, 99% of things Bush is blamed for were not even his fault.

I am lead to wonder how many people simply blindly obey the media (so ridiculously left wing democrats can do no wrong all love Obama) instead of compiling facts themselves. Research is not a tool you use for a school report, it is what you are supposed to do about candidates before you vote god dammit.

Claims against the above, from all the evidence I have gathered, are just surmissions (see surmise) or hearsay.

I get very pissed off on this subject so it be best we stay away from further discussion in this area and go back to talking of Cyprus without mentioning the deplorable world view of America after all the ass saving we have done in years past.


EDIT:
And thank you AFV, thank you for showing me the most deplorable state of our society. A montage of children from the age of speech to 10 or maybe more all praising Obama and hating McCain even though their parents supported McCain. Does anyone yet understand the deplorable methods elections are won with that make even our kids stupidly enthralled with the candidates research proves are a bad idea.

[bigbadbogie]

This is as good a place as any to state that Democracy, Communism, Socialism and Capitalism are all equally crap.

Monarchism is the way to go!! At least you see your eventual ruler grow up instead of just blindly electing some random guy off the streets that nobody had ever heard of a month ago.


@N1... People would hate America a lot less if you guys actually made some GOOD movies!!!

[iron maiden]

*cracks knuckles at movie remark*

[Raven]

I wouldn't know, I'm not American. All I see is him making a dumbass of himself every time he opens his mouth. You can't help but hate that. And I haven't seen anything of Obama. Which is surprising actually, I was expecting to never hear the last of your government.

AFV?

Oh, as for the world hating America, it isn't because of your government and never was. Its the stereotypes again. Because everybody simply believes that when they see a radical example, the entire country is the same. True for anywhere you go. Unfortunately, America has gained a lot of particularly bad ones.

Nobody has figured out a way that bloody works yet. They all suck in some respect, you gotta find the one that sucks least...

Good movies? Surely something that went through Hollywood is good? Maybe?

[iron maiden]

I'll give you that one Raven, America is constantly viewed with a generally negative steryotype. These exist in fact in each american person, Democrats paint Republicans as Redneck racists who ride around with white sheets while The democrats are viewed as the up tight, lets kill your kid before its born and take from the deserving and give to the undeserving type.

Its all a matter of which side you chose.

[bigbadbogie]

Ah... there is the reason.

If the country is torn in two, how can anyone outside it like what they see?

[iron maiden]

my point exactly, i mean, America the Beautiful was written by an English person who was astounded by the beauty of the country.

[Nielk1]

Well... at least the people are polarizing. Obama is getting a lot of funny looks from the black community now. Perhaps soon race wont matter, as it shouldn't.

It was said it was a great day in America when a man was elected president who was Black. I say it was a sad day in America, it will be a good day in America when a man is elected president and no one cares to take notice of his skin color.

AFV?

America's Funniest home Videos, truly, not very funny.

[iron maiden]

except for cats, cats do the funniest things.

[Raven]

What the hell is it with this Republican - Democrat - Liberal crap anyway? Yeah, we have a bit of bickering over here with the Torys, Labour and that but you guys are practically at bloody war!
I keep hearing everyone go on and on and ON about evolution, religion all this 'pro___' stuff. I don't know anything about what you're all bitching about, but from what I can see its pretty screwed up. Seriously? Damn people, slightly over the top?

Heh that just reminded me. I was once told that Republicans put boxing gloves on their kids at night so they couldn't 'touch themselves' in bed.
I didn't believe it but I still laughed (and cringed) at the thought.


Ooooh right. Well we've got at least 3 different shows all portraying the same idiocy. As does every country. pretty much. I enjoy them though; a lot of them are hilarious. Some of the stuff some people manage to do... boggles the mind

[iron maiden]

The problem is that we disagree, one side commits slander against the other, the other side up the ante, and so on, it is essentially The Republicans the people, The democrats- for the money, the independents-......for the environment i guess

[Raven]

Well we disagree too, but it doesn't result in something resembling a *Ammo*ing typhoon.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, long-ass day with airports ad its 01:25 am

[Nielk1]

Picture a 2d graph.

We will call the locations thusly:
x- Democrat
x+ Republican
y- Liberal
y+ Conservative

There was once a time when plotting the values of politicians, you would find many dots in the +XY or the -XY. That being Republicans were Conservative and Democrats were Liberal. Now it is that most Republican dots are in the y-, and what is worse Democrats have fallen off the chart to approach negative infinity on the y axis as socialists.

There was once a balance, hell I once charted it to a statistical formula, a distribution. Sense that time the government has changed to not listen to the people. When the people call and make the phones useless by shear volume, the politicians say "but we know better" and go against the wishes of the people. The liberals rally support by offing 'help' to people, 'help' that after use they can never live without. They also have few morals, but are sure to hold anyone conservative to theirs, very strictly (this is often done with lies and slander). Conservatives stand for moral acts, for bringing back the past. And not the bad past, no, the past of a strong America. An America which builds its own things, which is highly regarded in the world not for bowing but for acting with high moral intent. But the Liberals have the media.

[iron maiden]

But the Liberals have the media.

And that's what's killing us, the general populace is either to busy or to ignorant to view the Democratic party for what it has become and the modern generation holds that fact highly. Again, i reference Brave New World in which a select few knew what was really going on and used their power to control everything else. The Liberals promise, the Conservitives give, the Liberals mudd them, we get nowhere.