scion turret price change...

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

i totaly agree with DF
i also dont find how few gurdiends will help you if u have no pools... if the enemy got u to zero pools and ur def is weak i dont find why a 1 should build a rat.. never saw a game where the cmdr have full scrap with no pools and building rattler...

gurdiens are better and should cost more...

[Risa]

hmm...
As a scion fan I love the change, but as ISDF loyalist I think it kind of unbalances... mini-rat is alot weaker than ion-guardian, so I think it should cost more..

[MowerMan]

Yes, zero pools = lost game!  It seems that the original rationale was correct on the pricing, as corroborated in this thread.

[IceWendigo]

On one hand the guardians are more powerful, on the other hand if you start with no pool (which is sort of rare I think) you have no meens to build one (and with only 1 pool, ISDF can get GT up, while Scion cannot get GS so its a good thing for guardians to be better).

What would be the impact of:


- having the Matriarch's  own max reserve (slugish green bar) be 45? (how big an advantage would that be? would it be a uber advantage thoughout the game?)


{as it is now with 45 is not too bad because theres not many maps where you cant get one single pool}

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

those are some great ideas, although i think it'll be best to just put the gurdiens back to 45 :p

i mean.. does it disturb any1 that it cost 45? the a idea sounds realy good... but i dont know how will it  affect the game... and it doesnt sound like it metters to much... only to allow you build a gurdien?
with one pool ull still wont be able to build a spire

[Dirty Rooster]

Ice Wendigo has come up with a testable and perhaps
brilliant proposal.

Increase Matriarch green-scrap zone to 45 from normal 40,
enough for a guardian at 45.
This presupposes the guardian price is restored to 45 from
the insufficiently discussed current 40.

With one pool scions still can't get a spire (20+45=65) which
is as it should be.

A possible problem is in the odf/code, I don't know if the
matriarch scrap storage can be modified on its own.
Anyone know??

This is TESTABLE..

[Speedy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 65 the ugraded warrior's cost?

And thats a bad idea. Giving scions 5 extra scrap is giving them 2 scavs and 2 pods. ISDF doesn't get that pod advantage.

[Dirty Rooster]

...if the Matriarch starts a strat with 45 that'd be a bad idea,
but why should it??

[CmptrWz]

I thought that the starting scrap was 40, no matter what storage has avail. Thus, increasing storage wouldn't give them 2 scavs and 2 pools right off. It would, instead, give them 5 scrap storage space right away that wasn't filled.

Right?

[OvermindDL1]

That is correct, the dll would only fill it with 40 unless a certain ivar was changed.

[Speedy]

Straight from strategy02.cpp (stock) found in the 1.3 DLL pack, line 280:
SetScrap(Team,40);

That means they will be filled up with 40, no matter what.

EDIT: I don't see any ivar variable that changes the default scrap in the DLL. However, I noticed that ivar7 is disabled. That means a future BZNES could not have the starting vehicle features as its disabled by the 2 turret thing. That is unless a new strategy DLL is made for it...

[OvermindDL1]

I could have sworn an ivar could adjust the starting scrap... mabye its for mpi...

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

the best will be start with 40 while having stoarge for 45... cause if they will start with 5 bouns scrap it can change the whole start... mastering scav mangment and 1 being better then other is just metter of seconds..
10 secs can make a big difrence

starting scrap should be 40 while the storage itself 45

how does that sound? hmm
now that i think about it - with what speedy brought up...
good point speedy... scions get an advantge for building warior.. and warior costing 70 is kinda ridicilous i think...

[SilverB1rd]

I would suggest more games before we try and fix a fix for a fix.

[BZ FeebleEffort]

Silver is right, thats how some of these problems got started.