(Medium Bug) AI wont initiate combat when...

[Angstromicus]

The AI may not be dumb, but just selfish to their ownselves  .

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

i did not want this to be a disscussion about AI and how smart they are. I want bugs where the AI show NO COMBAT  inititve whatso ever when under attack....

E.g...i tell a lancer to follow a scav...an AI scout comes up and shoots it at point blank and the lancer just 'sits there' doing absolutly nothing.
Everyone can agree thats not acceptable. Tactics? Not shooting artilery? Sure.....but not even enganging just because it was told to follow something?

i think everyone can agree thats a bug.

[FoxBlade]

oops df I meant to add that the AI will follow a trail of targets with a simple attack to command. this will lead to your ships wandering off in all directions.

if however, the command hold position actually meant that the ship would not move in any way, then that command could be of more use.

but the biggest problem with BZ2 units are their innability to multitask. they must reposition themselves to change task. when I tell a unit to pick me up and im less tehn 2 meters away, I want him to eject right on the spot, not move 90 degrees around me, face me, and then eject, sometimes only to run back into the ship.

[Spawn]

maybe the lancer didnt shoot because the explosions would've hurt the scav, i know that if there are a few AI jackles gaurding something, you can go right next to it and they wont shoot, for they dont want to hurt friendly units...then i just umped out and sniped them all, from point blank range, and even missed a few times.  That should be fixed.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

ive never seen jackles give a hoot what they shooting at.. if the hit friendly unit the dmg is "canceled" (no dmg done)
the only way they wont shoot is if they got something right infront of them - but if the scout can hit then so is the lancer... when u tell a unit to follow it will do what the unit he's following doing..

tell a unit to follow you - if you attack something - it will as well...

if u run, it will as well...

when u tell it to follow a unit without the ability to attack it just wont attack... thats the problem

[Spawn]

actually, jackles wont shoot if there are buildings that will get hit by splash damage, which is not cancled

[Zero Angel]

Thats a very nice bit of info, PF

Damn, we already up to 7 pages on the AI list already.

[Aegeis]

when u tell a unit to follow it will do what the unit he's following doing..

tell a unit to follow you - if you attack something - it will as well...

if u run, it will as well...

when u tell it to follow a unit without the ability to attack it just wont attack... thats the problem

DUDE!  I never relaized that before!  Holy shiznit batman!

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

ROFL!

[Angstromicus]

LMAO.

Anyway, (probably won't happen on any maps that weren't made by me), if an ai unit falls of a ledge (inevitably leading to certain doom), the ai unit(s) attacking it, will follow after it. I'd like that to be fixed.

Only on few occasions has an ai not followed an enemy ai when it was engaged: (REALLY HIGH, STEEP CLIFF), the enemy fell off the ledge, and the other AI just peeked over the ledge.[/list]

[Zero Angel]

tell a unit to follow you - if you attack something - it will as well...

if u run, it will as well...

when u tell it to follow a unit without the ability to attack it just wont attack... thats the problem

Checked this out last night, it seems that while an offensive unit will stop to fight whatevers attacking it, a non-offensive unit will keep going.

So, if you tell a group of scouts to follow a scav, they'll follow the scav, then if they stop to fight and get too far away, its like they'll get confused (should I follow the scav, or defend myself?) and just spin around.

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

ey? when i told my lancers to follow a scav, and an AI came up and shot them, they just stood their motionless.

[Zero Angel]

Damnit! I thought lancer AI was supposed to be among the smartest AI in BZ2. You learn something new every day.

The way i see it, I can relate it to the 'doctor, it hurts when i do this', saying. I guess thats why I never really encountered that bug.

[Spawn]

no, its not that lancer ai is good, but any idiot can use stinger.  and if you cant, you CAN be removed from our genepool... :missiler:

[Tempest Storm]

There needs to be a resserection of the BZ1 "Defend" command.

As of current date, the Defend command is only activated when you tell a unit to follow a building. You should be able to switch between the follow and defend thing on units though. There is a command pannel peice of code remaining for it, but while its text is defend the code name is MODE_DEFEND_BASE don't know if its different at all to the BZ1 defend command though.