2008 US Presidential Elections

[Commando]

Yeah, having to wait a year to get medical attention works out great.  I've read many similar stories involving Canada and England.  If public healthcare could be made to work better than the DMV then great, I don't see it happening unfortunately.  Government services in terms of service tend to suck at least that's the experience I have had with it.

Granted the current system outright sucks too.  I'm uninsured until I finish school because a HMO wanted to charge me $800 a month just to cover myself.

[OvermindDL1]

I have no clue how Canada's and England's works, but the health system in Japan you get help rather instantly.  Although from what I have heard the doctors are not the best.

Not sure why it would take a year to get medical services, could you not just walk in somewhere when you are sick?
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[Commando]

From what I understood, this is for major operations or surgeries in general.  I've heard of instances where Canadians would come to the U.S. for cancer treatment because of having to wait a year in Canada.

I don't know how walk in clinics work if those have the same type of lag.

I find it disturbing that we have industries that want to profit off of the health of Americans.  To me that is like a fire department or the police department expecting a profit ie they won't help you if they don't make a profit doing so.

[CivBase]

I have no clue how Canada's and England's works, but the health system in Japan you get help rather instantly.  Although from what I have heard the doctors are not the best.

Not sure why it would take a year to get medical services, could you not just walk in somewhere when you are sick?
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Here's how it works:
Obama starts socialistic healthcare.
Doctors no longer get paid as much because everyone's covered.
Doctors, no longer getting enough money, leave the country.
All the time, the amount of people with heathcare goes up by 50%.
So now you have 150% of the patents, with 50% of the doctors.  You know how it usualy takes two of three weeks to get an appointment?  Yah, so now mulitply that by 3.  That makes it 2-3 months at minimum.  Do you want to wait that long to get cough medicine?  Well, the good news is that those rich pharmacys will get even richer! Unless... unless of course the overinflation caused by the extream release of money into circulation (via Democrats) causes them to go bankrupt.  It is not uncomon for the Canadians and English to wait up to 6 months for a checkup.
That's right.  The only way that they will even think about looking at you within a week is if it's life threatening.
So, you all know about the deseases that don't seem bad?  You just get a few minor side effects, that's all.  But in the end, the desease could kill you.  Take the flu for example.  Streap throat.  So many killers, so many people.
Yah, so now those diseases will kill more people.
YAY! You just effectively killed off 10% of the American population! Way to go Obama!

Oh, and of course, you can't forget how our government is always so great at suplying quality goods and services.  Well, now you can expect that same great quality in our healthcare!  Oh, wait.... government goods and services are the lowest quality they can possibly make them.  Think that will have an effect?

[bigbadbogie]

Lol... I think you may be taking that a wee bit out of context Civ.

3 weeks to get an appointment? I have never heard of an instance where anyone I know has had to wait more than a few days for a medical appointment - even for the most serious conditions. But then, I am not American so really I have no clue.

Just vote for whoever you think will do the least damage to your country guys.

[VSMIT]

By damage do you mean domestic or foreign damage?

VSMIT.

[OvermindDL1]

Oh there will always be doctors who get paid more for higher quality service, and as such they will be more encouraged to provide the higher quality service (always for a fee of course).
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[bigbadbogie]

By damage do you mean domestic or foreign damage?

VSMIT.

Oh... you know me... selfless. 

[CivBase]

Okay... yah, some of it's a bit out of line.  But still the same basic principle.

Less doctors, more patence, bigger wait.  Bigger wait for help, more death.

It is true, though, that those countries commonly wait up to half a year just to get to an appointment.  It would no longer be a yearly thing.

[Red Devil]

Maybe it would have the effect of people being proactive by placing more emphasis on staying healthy than on being being reactive by dependent upon doctors and hospitals?

[mrtwosheds]

It is not uncomon for the Canadians and English to wait up to 6 months for a checkup.

We are free to pay for immediate treatment if we wish to, you might have to wait for some treatments if you do not wish to pay for private treatment and use the national health service.
The poor are not excluded from healthcare in England. The wealthy can have whatever they wish to pay for. It is not a perfect system, it could be better if the political willpower was there to make its financing work properly. Unfortunately it is financed from general tax revenues, not a national health insurance, and so is highly vulnerable to the whims of the 2 political party's we foolishly vote for again and again.
We have the leaders we deserve (stupid self interested one's) and a health service to match.
So check the small print on the candidates plans, A national heath service needs to be set up so that politicians cannot play games with its financing whenever they need a bit of cash somewhere else.

So now you have 150% of the patents, with 50% of the doctors.

Ahem...you could only have 100% of the patents...

[AcneVulgaris]

Obstetricians quite often go into a room and come out with 200%.

[VSMIT]

But that's a very different idea.

VSMIT.

[Commando]

Red unfortunately some of us are born with conditions that require somewhat routine checkups and are therefor born unhealthy.

If I didn't have a heart condition, I could afford to exercise regularly without the fear of having a heart attack.

[Commando]

Our current system scares me considering health care is already expensive for individuals who weren't born with any defects.  In my case, I'm sure I'm outright screwed.

In a socialistic system, I can see people saying f**k going to school for at least 8 years to become a doctor if you can't make enough to justify the cost of going and the time it takes to graduate.  I'm assuming Obama is mainly wanting to change the way health insurance itself works and not how much doctors make which may be a good thing if it works.