Ya gotta commend evolutionists

[cheesepuffly]

this can all be answered with 3 letters.

Watch closely.

W...T...F

got it? K.

[bigbadbogie]

Seems like it's simpler to assume that things just evolved than were set in motion by the invisible sky wizard.  Where did the sky wizard come from?  Did he evolve?  Has he not evolved yet, and we are  evolving into sky wizards?

I think the real problem is we don't truly understand time.

Not much to understand about it, Motion being perceived, motion is not difficult, perception is a far more complicated subject.

Thank giddles there are some intelligent people here.

[mrtwosheds]

W...T...F

With or without a creator, the universe is made of stuff, it moves.
When something capable of perception perceives movement, the result of this perception produces an effect know as time passing. The perceiver is an essential part of the equation that produces time. Rocks/photons/atoms etc do not perceive "time" they just move. Humans/plants/bacterium perceive movement and experience "time" as a consequence.
Failure to recognise this simple cause and effect relationship seems to have led many a scientist on a merry wild goose chase looking for tachions etc etc while overlooking their own obvious role in the whole experience of "time".

[cheesepuffly]

The question of where the universe came from, is a never ending paradox.

God created the universe, where did he come from? Where did where he came from came from? If he was around since the beginning of time when did time begin? Could something be outside of time?

Same thing with evolution. Where did the small amount of matter that became the universe come from? What was it that made it? What caused it to burst.
etc. It will never end.

[mrtwosheds]

It is only a paradox if you constrain events with concepts like beginning and end. By definition Infinity has no beginning or ending, it simply is. (or is-not)

Could something be outside of time?

Time is not a thing (stuff) it is a perception, 99.9r % of the universe gets on just fine without it.

[cheesepuffly]

No one can really imagine infinity.

[mrtwosheds]

It would take a very long time. take a shortcut.

[bigbadbogie]

That is what people do and that is why they draw the wrong conclusions.

[Arbystrider]

I understand time (A little). I read a book about Time in my school library. It says that "time is a simple paradox thats is so complicated nobody can ever understand" and "The universe is its own ultimate clock, restarting every 80 billion years. It takes Time with it.".;

[Feared_1]

Don't forget, the universe is not just made of stuff. It's made of things too.

Time is time, people. It's that simple. Look at the clock, read the numbers realize that you are in fact late for your class and run.

[cheesepuffly]

I have never EVER been late, EVER, because of my self that is.

[Arbystrider]

Time is time, people. It's that simple. Look at the clock, read the numbers realize that you are in fact late for your class and run.

Shouldn't it be late for SCHOOL?

[Power Board]

I just thought I'd show you guys this:

    *  Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)
    * Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)
    * Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7)
    * Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)
    * Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)
    * Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)
    * Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11)
    * Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)
    * Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

It took one scientist to discover each of these things. They were in the Bible before those scientists dicovered them. Some of these things were discovered by christians, who didn't have to work hard to find what they were looking for because they were all in the Bible.

If anyone disagree with the above, feel free to PM me.

[mrtwosheds]

I have never read the bible.
But I have heard plenty of quotes from it, It is clear that most of it was originally an honest attempt to explain the world to people, who were probably very smart and knew everything there is to know about sheep and not much else. It is clear that Genesis for example describes, in very simple terms, evolution as it was understood then. In its time it was magnificent and probably the only book most people ever got to read.
Those people who knew everything there is to know about sheep and not much else, probably understood it far better than those who go round insisting that it is all still true and correct today, such people blind themselves to knowledge and attempt to blind others too, usually for their own selfish purposes.

[Angstromicus]

If we thought of the universe as an entity that posessed consciousness, or was created by an entity that posessed consciousness, then the beginning of the universe could perhaps be thought of as an awakening. Being conscious, time is perceptible. Being unconscioius, time is not perceptible. Now... if God was ever unconscious, then everything would be irrelevant (including space and time) until he became aware of himself. Therefore, time did not exist before the birth of the universe.

To this end, consciousness is the most important aspect of the universe. Without consciousness, there is nothing.