Gentlemen, you have had enough time at this project to create another BZ3 twice over.
The lack of completion of this project represents a closed social group activity unless you put a deliberate deadline to the project.
Quit dragging your feet listening to modders pethetic whining to do one more thing, one more thing, one more thing and release the damn thing already!!!
The longer you delay releasing this patch the more permanent damage you do to the community.
Many have just given up waiting, moved on, and will never come back,,,,, even if you released the patch right now.
Think about it--------pathetic really---
And your wonderfully positive attitude 100% of the time, 24/7 is doing the best job possible to bring in new people, right?
-- GSH
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Gentlemen, you have had enough time at this project to create another BZ3 twice over.
I highly doubt that as only one person is still working on the 1.3 patch. You and your buddies also have yourselves to thank as development on the 1.3 patch stopped for half a year as a result of your behavior maybe even longer. It woudl be done that much faster if you guys wouldn't have engaged in your personal attack on the 1.3 patch and nathan.
Quote from: deadscion on December 26, 2005, 06:00:42 AM
Gentlemen, you have had enough time at this project to create another BZ3 twice over.
The lack of completion of this project represents a closed social group activity unless you put a deliberate deadline to the project.
Quit dragging your feet listening to modders pethetic whining to do one more thing, one more thing, one more thing and release the damn thing already!!!
The longer you delay releasing this patch the more permanent damage you do to the community.
Many have just given up waiting, moved on, and will never come back,,,,, even if you released the patch right now.
Think about it--------pathetic really---
Oh and you could do better could you ?
how ironic, the person who has contributed the least to this community bitching an whingeing AGAIN .
who shat on your christmas pudding ?
Is this the best reply you guys can come up with?
Instead of answering the post you choose to discredit me instead.
How very typical.
How very closed social group responses.
Seems to me you have run out of excuses for NOT setting a deadline/release date.
How about one day after you leave? For good.
[Subject to verification, and change w/o notice.]
-- GSH
You really didn't just say all this, did you? [reads it again, slaps forehaed] Yep, you sure did. Well, it's certainly easy to criticize something you don't understand.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer my cakes completely baked, not almost-baked.
Quote from: deadscion on December 26, 2005, 06:00:42 AM
Gentlemen, you have had enough time at this project to create another BZ3 twice over.
The lack of completion of this project represents a closed social group activity unless you put a deliberate deadline to the project.
Quit dragging your feet listening to modders pethetic whining to do one more thing, one more thing, one more thing and release the damn thing already!!!
The longer you delay releasing this patch the more permanent damage you do to the community.
Many have just given up waiting, moved on, and will never come back,,,,, even if you released the patch right now.
Think about it--------pathetic really---
With all this complaining it's lucky that the cake isn't microwave baked.
The reason is because not enough people are testing it and reporting bugs. Why dont you stop whining on the forums and go play it.
Please take your time and do it right. This is still my favorite and most played game of all and I would much rather wait for a good release than get a buggy one fast. And for anyone too impatient to wait for new things to play with...you could always try making some levels or races yourself! Hell make a few new units and spend some time testing them thoroughly. There are a ton of ways to make minor changes that can totally change the experience. Then test them in IA and see how they work...get a couple friends and try the stuff in mpi...cripes this is the funnest most easily modable game out there! 20 minutes with notepad and pak explorer and you can add a new weapon to the game. I'll even give you an idea to play with  :-D Try taking the plant from toontown and instead of it shooting smilies that hold units, have them target pilots and shoot needles that kill them after a few seconds if still in say a 50m range  :evil:
Quote from: GSH on December 26, 2005, 09:10:42 AM
How about one day after you leave? For good.
[Subject to verification, and change w/o notice.]
-- GSH
See there? very typicasl response.
I believe it would actually pain these guys to let folks know an occasional progress report or something.
The real truth is the 1.3 patch folks have no intention of ever releasing another version.
This is why nobody can get a straight answer about what they are doing and when.
Why do you think the BZ3 topics get so much attention? Players want better stuff and don't have it.
Those that do provide useful feedback get full progress reports. I think that fact bothers you immensely, that you're on the outside, wishing to be "in," and realizing that you never will be.
"A game is late only until it's released. A bad game is bad forever." - Shigeru Miyamoto.
-- GSH
I know all too well exactly what I am talking about.
You don't give progress reports and will never give a release date, yet you like to brag about the stuff the 1.3 patch fixes.
I have said this before and I will say it again.
You have no business teasing people with bits and pieces of hoot they can't use.
Give them a reason to believe in what you are doing by giving a full respectfull progress report.
Then maybe frusterations about a release date, which you are so eager to avoid, will not become an issue.
I apologize for any insults but at the time it was the best way I could think of to get your attention on this matter.
You really do keep people in the dark way too much and when anyone does ask a valid question they get disrespect, or an of hand comment which means nothing.
Me on the outside looking in does not bother me at all, just stop playing childish games with what few visitors you have left here.
How is telling everybody they're "pathetic" constitute politely and respectfully asking for a progress report? Answer: It doesn't.
What are you some kind of word manipulator?
I want you guys to start trerating people right, currently you don't.
Regular honest progress reports instead of smartassed slight of hand bullhoot will not only attract curious visitors tp the forum, but help you welcome the new patch when you do release it.
By the way, I am not respectfully asking for anything, I am telling you this is what makes good sense.
How about this for a progress update, look at the changelog in the public beta, double its size. :)
Don't worry, fixing up a few things then should be a release. They are trying to get every little thing fixed. If you do things afterall, why do a half-a**ed job? :P
That is still double talk which translated means nothing and says nothing specific. Just another statement most folks have to take at face value and still wonder what is going on.
Nathan is the only one working on the 1.3 Patch. It has been said before, the BZ2 code is a monstrous web of code all intertwinged and knoted together. Fixing one thing can break another thing, changing this can cause an unintended effect. It took a team of developers to make BZ2, who were rushed nether the less by Activision to come out with a release of a product that wasn't finished. Now we have one man, spending his free time patching up the game, adding to it and overall making it more enjoyable. But people like you Deadscion couldn't appreciate that. You had to attack Nathan personally, attack the way the game was changed, arguing over stupid things. You never once considered the time of coding Nathan has put into it, never mind the fact that allot of the code he was tweaking wasn't his specialty area. Now you are arguing because the public has been kept in the dark about the progress or more likely, because YOU are in the dark. Nathan has every right to keep the latest beta's to a group of loyal testers who have earned his trust. He knows these testers will TEST the thing, not argue or bitch over trivial matters or yell in his face because his post wasn't the 'most friendly' it could have been.
Just calm down and wait like everyone else for the next public beta. Stop trying to rush things and re-do the mistake Activision did when this game was first released.
Quit talking with your head up your butt.
Some kind of regular progress report is not going to kill anyone.
What is your problem with that? sheesh!!!
you can take as long as you want? and nobody has the right to ask why? and nobody has the right to know why? and nobody has the right to know what you are doing?
try again,,,,,,
Progress Reports was a privilege, actions like yours caused the community to loose it. Deal With It.
Quote from: deadscion on December 26, 2005, 07:11:35 PMQuit talking with your head up your butt.
Sorry, but you seem to be the one refusing to listen to others right now.
Quoteyou can take as long as you want?
Yes, because Nathan and the private beta team are the ones doing it. Nobody is being paid for it. There is no company issueing a deadline. So yes, Nathan can take as long as he wants.
Quoteand nobody has the right to ask why?
You have the right to free speech, so yes you have the right to ask why.
Quoteand nobody has the right to know why? and nobody has the right to know what you are doing?
Unlike ASKING, you have no god or government given rights to know why or what is being done. Until you can find a constitutional amendment or applicable state law that says otherwise and present it to us, anyway.
This leave one conclusion, you guys don't want anyone to know what is going on because you have no intention of releasing this patch.
It is your own private gaming group.
I hope you enjoy yourselves while you can, because in the long run you will not.
[looks at every post by deadscion]
Will you just shut up already?
You complain
You whin
You Bash Nathan
You bash the Beta Team
You bash 1.3
And you SERIOUSLY except Nathan to RELEASE 1.3? You don't seem to realize that because of your pig headedness that it's possibly the REASON 1.3 next public beta hasn't been released
Did that thought ever OCCUR to you? No? Not surprising
You seem to think that just because YOU say so.. means it must occur
Nathan, along with the beta testing group, don't have a company backing them up. They have JOBS that they must go to in order to pay there next billls, it's even possible some of the beta group might even be in college, maybe even lower depending. That means they have other responsbilitys as well
You realize, that Nathan could've very well decided NOT to work on the 1.3 Patch, the reason he's probably doing it is out of GENEROSITY for the community, but you stroll in here and bitch like some f***ing 4 year old kid who sh*t his diapers and needs a change. GROW UP ALREADY; the world DOES NOT revolve around YOU!
Now, get a life Deadscion and stop annoying Nathan, or else you could very well be looking at the "We are sorry, but we are unable to connect you to this site, Reason: Banned Fool" and quite frankly, you are a reason why the patch is probably being held up for so long. To be fully honest, I don't like people who bash others when those others have been putting time, sweet, effort, and perhaps even MONEY into there work, only to have some idiot come on and start bashing there work, not bothering to submit any credible feedback, nor bothering to submit anything to help the community
The community lost it's priv's to have a Status Report of some kind BECAUSE of idiots like YOU! Perhaps if you would just shut up and let Nathan the Beta Group do what they've been doing for the past [checks] three years, then maybe the patch will be out. Until then though, and as long as you keep bashing Nathan and the BGs, you might be looking at another six months, maybe a year, which quite frankly I don't truely mind, because if the community is not going to try and shut you up for your bashing and attitude, then perhaps we willfully deserve the treatment where getting
[takes a breather]
Ever since you registered on this board, you've done nothing but complain. Complained about this, and about that, and you wonder why you are not on the Beta Group? You should probably figure it out yourself, it's your constant complaints that have caused you to loss the priv's of being a beta tester. Qutie frankly, I hope Nathan NEVER makes you a tester, because with your attitude, I feel he would lose his mind
Here's a status report for you, DS: Just me alone in the past week, I have had 230 BZ starts for testing purposes. What have you done to help? Bitch and moan in an effort to try and ruin everybody's Christmas with your Grinch attitude, that's what. I'm sorry you had such a bad Christmas this year that you feel you need to take it out on the ones trying to make things better for you.
DS it may by now have come to your attention that nobody round here could care less about your opinion anymore, this is because you have proven to everyone time and again what a loud mouthed trouble maker you are. Nobody takes any notice of you, nobody gives a damn about your opinion, why on earth do even you bother posting here ? Don't you realise what a fool you look ? one man alone ranting against the will of the entire community, you're a nutter mate, maybe you should go visit a shrink, you so obviously have issues.
Last January 2005, you guys said you were close to finishing.
Last June 2005, you said you were close to finishing.
Now it is December 2005 and you still are not finished refuse to tell us what you are doing and will not give a release date.
You guys have no intention of ever releasing this patch so why even bother telling me what kind of bad person I am?
I call it the way I see it and if you don't like it then ban me assholes, because you have still deliberately failed to prove otherwise.
Everything you have said here is the same double talk you have been saying for years, nothing about nothing and bragging about fixed bugs the public can not use.
This topic is just full of stuff calling me a bad person as an excuse not to inform the public as to what you are doing.
This entire topic fails to inform the public of anything you are doing.
Using me, my past and the public's past as an excuse to be a closed society is rather childish.
Sooner or later this closed society hoot has to stop or trouble like me will continue to follow you.
History will tell you I am not the first and I will not be the last to challenge you on this issue.
Ban me or tell these folks something about what is going on with the 1.3 patch, because I am not going to shut up.
An opportunity to test out the ignore button. Cool.
Sigh.... Guess I have to go back to the default skin. :cry:
You know DS, if you were in the beta team you would probably see why they keep holding it back longer and longer. But, your not, so you just seen some freaking patience. I sure cant wait till it comes out, but you dont see my whining and groaning just because they keep holding it back..
I can honestly see where DS is coming from. I would be thinking along the same line if I wasn't in the beta. I wouldn't be posting it however.
Quote from: APCs r evil on December 27, 2005, 07:21:17 AM
Sigh.... Guess I have to go back to the default skin. :cry:
APC, just use DS's skin and mute him :)
I've been lurking here, checking up on things every once and a while waiting for the next 1.3. Mainly so Avatar can release his bz1 mod I've been eagerly waiting ages for.
I must admit I'm disappointed 1.3 has taken such a long time. But I've been working on mods for other games for 3 years now, I completely understand how god awefully long things take, even without any programming at all, which I've just started to learn myself. For me alone, small simple programs take quite a while to complete. That said, a single professional working on and fixing the code for an entire game(Nathan has probably wound up practically rewriting the amount 3 times over) will take an immensely long time. especially with how buggy bz2 was at first, and how complex code for any game is, let alone a hybrid like bz2.
While following Av's mod, he's said a few things about Nathan being very generous about adding features for modders, why may I ask would someone devote so much time to something and not release it?
DS's behavior has been very immature, but so has that of everyone attacking him. Everyone needs to chill out just a little bit.
However, it is not too much to ask about how 1.3 is going as long as its respectful and not nagging. That hasn't quite been the case here, but if we could please hear a little more information about what is going on, I think alot of people would be more at ease and regain most of their patience.
More public betas I feel would be a good thing for development, as many more people can test it out and run into bugs the closed beta team simply might not find.
Nathan, working on a mod for tes3 morrowind, I wound up in your exact position. I kept going on a project, continually delaying it because I kept having to go back and add more and change things, and people became just as impatient and rude. For what its worth, I think everyone's lives would be a bit easier if 1.3 wasn't released as one huge patch, but instead, a few more manageable chunks. Like an initial release with fixes and additions up to a certain point in time, with more versions (1.3.1 or whatever) following, adding and fixing more over time until you get to the point you'd consider 1.3 complete how you're working on it now.
For illustrative purposes, I just did a quick check and 500,000 lines of code is about 7,100 pages of text or about 5,000,000 words and symbols. The Encyclopedia Britannica has 14,000,000 words. Now take those words and make them all perfectly inter-relate with each other on the fly. Now realize, like Eraser said, that work is being done by one guy. It's normally done by 10-20 programmers.
Trust me, he has his hands full enough with just us finding bugs, and that's after 8-10-12 hours working his RL job.
QuoteHowever, it is not too much to ask about how 1.3 is going as long as its respectful and not nagging. That hasn't quite been the case here, but if we could please hear a little more information about what is going on, I think alot of people would be more at ease and regain most of their patience.
Yes.. it is to much to ask
1. The community doesn't DESERVE a report on whats going on
2. The community has ignored DS's rantings and his immature attitude, and has thus not bothered to tell him to SHUT UP
Like I said before, it's OUR fault we lost the privs for reports, but it's even further our fault for letting idiots like DS continue to rant, complain, cry, whin, and what not about stuff he isn't apart of
Sorry.. but we don't deserve any reports.. when Nathan feels we have been good then maybe he'll start posting reports.. but as long as people ignore DS's attitude that won't happen
CXall it whatever you like, but these guys have no intention of telling the public anything because this patch is never getting released.
The so called 1.3 patch is something design for a private gaming group and will never be released to the public.
The only reason they even admit to the patch is when they wish to recruit new members which get limited priveleges so they have somebody to misuse.
This patch is dead go look somewhere else for a good game.
Doom3
Quake4
UT2007
Take your pick all are far better then waiting for a closed society to share they kiddies toys.
Will you post a dozen messages apologizing when you're proven wrong? Your questions have been answered, just not the way you wanted them answered. That bugs you. Let it go. Life is so much nicer when you do so.
-- GSH
Quote from: GSH on December 27, 2005, 04:32:26 PM
Will you post a dozen messages apologizing when you're proven wrong? Your questions have been answered, just not the way you wanted them answered. That bugs you. Let it go. Life is so much nicer when you do so.
-- GSH
Can you believe this guy? I thinks he is gonna prove me wrong.
Well for the sake of everyone he has brow beat over the years I most certainly hope so.
Like I said;
Last January 2005, you guys said you were close to finishing.
Last June 2005, you said you were close to finishing.
Now it is December 2005 and you still are not finished.
You refuse to say why and do not give a release date.
Therefore you have no intentions of a release at all.
Even if you do intend a release, at this rate, the chances of an actual release are very slim.
Oh by the way GSH, the modders want you to do one more thing one more thing one more thing one more thing.
Apologize? for being honest and truthful? shheeeeeiiitttt
@ DS: You're making it hard not to say something...
Quote from: APCs r evil on December 27, 2005, 05:54:37 PM
@ DS: You're making it hard not to say something...
LOL ( something)
One more thing, he never said it would be out at a certain time. More likely one of us said that. Heck, you're lucky he even came back to work on it at all after the last go around. Your problem is he's in control, he's much smarter than you, and you have a deep-seated need to find things to control in your life because you are basically powerless.
You don't have a damn constructive thing to say and never have. You just need to STFU, but since you won't I'm clicking your Ignore button so I don't have to see your drivel an longer.
Bye!
DS, your an ignorant hoot...
the patch is being worked on and just now does it seem like most all the bugs are fixed and all the little modder's tid bits are done being added. You seem intent that this patch will never be released, well your just stupid. My estimate of when the patch will be released is early next year (2006) , this means before july or april. If i had to hope, i would say in january or feburary. The next public beta would probably definately be in january or feburary.
You do nothing but insult and complain the patch, so I say we ban you from the server and bzscrap and EVERYTHING bz related so that you NEVER get your hangs on the 1.3 patch. While everyone else gets to play the much better smoother version of the game.
You offer proof of "its almost done! its almost done!" over the next year, well yes because of modder's little tid bits it has moved. As quoted from the Epic mod's public description of their board on BZMD, "its hard to work towards moving targets". The 1.3 is a moving target, and it is impossible to predict exactly how long it will take to fix bugs and how do you ever predict your free time? Simple, you cant.
So stop posting negative things, you know, IF A: you had never been so rude about it and B: had asked nicely, you may have been entered into the private beta and you would be able to see the real thing. But now that will never happen, you will never be entered into it and will have to wait just like all the other people.
Have fun dwelling in your own hoothole...you earned it.
Quote from: General BlackDragon on December 27, 2005, 06:47:58 PM
DS, your an ignorant hoot...
the patch is being worked on and just now does it seem like most all the bugs are fixed and all the little modder's tid bits are done being added. You seem intent that this patch will never be released, well your just stupid. My estimate of when the patch will be released is early next year (2006) , this means before july or april. If i had to hope, i would say in january or feburary. The next public beta would probably definately be in january or feburary.
You do nothing but insult and complain the patch, so I say we ban you from the server and bzscrap and EVERYTHING bz related so that you NEVER get your hangs on the 1.3 patch. While everyone else gets to play the much better smoother version of the game.
You offer proof of "its almost done! its almost done!" over the next year, well yes because of modder's little tid bits it has moved. As quoted from the Epic mod's public description of their board on BZMD, "its hard to work towards moving targets". The 1.3 is a moving target, and it is impossible to predict exactly how long it will take to fix bugs and how do you ever predict your free time? Simple, you cant.
So stop posting negative things, you know, IF A: you had never been so rude about it and B: had asked nicely, you may have been entered into the private beta and you would be able to see the real thing. But now that will never happen, you will never be entered into it and will have to wait just like all the other people.
Have fun dwelling in your own hoothole...you earned it.
Lol APC..
Quote from: APCs r evil on December 27, 2005, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: General BlackDragon on December 27, 2005, 06:47:58 PM
DS, your an ignorant hoot...
the patch is being worked on and just now does it seem like most all the bugs are fixed and all the little modder's tid bits are done being added. You seem intent that this patch will never be released, well your just stupid. My estimate of when the patch will be released is early next year (2006) , this means before july or april. If i had to hope, i would say in january or feburary. The next public beta would probably definately be in january or feburary.
You do nothing but insult and complain the patch, so I say we ban you from the server and bzscrap and EVERYTHING bz related so that you NEVER get your hangs on the 1.3 patch. While everyone else gets to play the much better smoother version of the game.
You offer proof of "its almost done! its almost done!" over the next year, well yes because of modder's little tid bits it has moved. As quoted from the Epic mod's public description of their board on BZMD, "its hard to work towards moving targets". The 1.3 is a moving target, and it is impossible to predict exactly how long it will take to fix bugs and how do you ever predict your free time? Simple, you cant.
So stop posting negative things, you know, IF A: you had never been so rude about it and B: had asked nicely, you may have been entered into the private beta and you would be able to see the real thing. But now that will never happen, you will never be entered into it and will have to wait just like all the other people.
Have fun dwelling in your own hoothole...you earned it.
Quote from: Eraser on December 27, 2005, 10:50:42 AM
Everyone needs to chill out just a little bit.
*distributes bottles of prozac to everyone in the thread*
*Looks at Eraser like he is holding $12 billion... Steals it, runs like hell, applies massive amounts of choclate pudding. Then bakes at 150 degrees celcius in a light steak sauce with a side of Prozac.*
*yawns*
Everyone... DS is just a lost child who won't listen to a single word anyone says... I'd say who he is acting like, but I won't turn this into a political thread (GSH wouldn't appricate it I'm sure)
The fact is.... DS isn't worth the aggrevation, nor is he worth anything actually. He's just a lost child who doesn't have any friends off the net, probably doesn't have a job either considering how he posts and such (demanding stuff and whatnot)
So.... (click)
too many idiots and fools posting on this topic now.
Can't you tell by the meaningless ramblings?
Shadower hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about, but does a lot of guess work anyway.
General Black Dragon is a twisted teenager with somebody dick in his mouth( his own admition) and not good source of reliable info regardless of whether it actaully makes sense.
APC's r evil has nothing to say that would actually be his own original thought.
Red Devil thinks everything is about power and control.
None of you are even close.
You assume a lot of hoot and you know how to talk back like a big bunch of kids, with bratty mouths.
So what kind of reaction am I supposed to have to all this crapola of brown stufff oozing from your low class uneducated mouths?
none what so ever. you guys are only mildly amusing, not funny or clever enough to give any kind or credit to your comments.
This is what is defending the 1.3 patch?
This is what is helping to test the 1.3 patch?
Sheeeiittt give me a break,,,,,, now I know the damn thing will never be released,,,,the testers aren't worth a damn,,,,
Quote from: deadscion on December 27, 2005, 08:31:38 PMSheeeiittt give me a break,,,,,, now I know the damn thing will never be released,,,,the testers aren't worth a damn,,,,
Ah, your conclusion. Good. Now that you're done, we can all get back to business that is far more important than arguing amongst ourselves.
Agreed,,,, for now,,,but I can guarantee I'll be saying the same stuff 6 months from now.
Why? because the pursuit of perfection on this project has become a never ending obession.
Sooner or later you just have to call it good enough regardless of how bad the last few bugs and possibilities for improvement nag and eat away at you.
You may actually accomplish a fine piece of work, but nobody will ever know unless you show them what you have done.
this thread has no real use except for DS's Flaming this thread is getting locked before things get to out of hand.'