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Battlezone Universe => Overdrive Terminal => Topic started by: iron maiden on November 01, 2009, 04:25:57 PM

Title: re-release
Post by: iron maiden on November 01, 2009, 04:25:57 PM
You know, i was thinking, what if Activision re-released Battlezone. But consider this, a re-release of Battlezone in the Battlezone 2 engine[enter Battlezone Classic mod] and with Battlezone 2 released on the 1.3 patch, perhaps even FE on 1.3. It could be a huge success.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: AHadley on November 01, 2009, 04:48:41 PM
Unfortunately, as much as we would like it to the closest BZ will get to a rerelease is with a totally different company making a totally different game with tanks under the same name. Much like happened on PSP not too long ago - by Atari themselves.

The BZ2 engine (first designed for Dark Reign 2, but then used by BZ2 which was released first IIRC) is completely inadequate when compared to today's engines and a newer one would most likely be used if this were to happen / when it did.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: TheJamsh on November 01, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
As AHadley said, BZ2's engine, no matter how fun it is, is NOWHERE near up-to-date to be re-released. It wouldn't happen. If you look at modern games, and break down their engines, you understand how much more complex they are.

I personally have a strange electronic bonding love with the unreal engine... despite the fact i don't much like Epic Games' work ethic. (i.e, borderline slavery). I do plan to import BZ2 assets into the unreal engine, and using its KISMET scriptor to possibly re-create BZ2 stuff, but thats something i SURE AS HELL wouldn't release.

Why? I'd be raped by copyright holders. My bank account is no where near full enough to go against game companies (even if they are in debt).
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: bigbadbogie on November 01, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
With any luck, there will be another financial crisis and Activision and Atari will collapse. Then we can claim BZ as our own.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: GSH on November 01, 2009, 10:49:06 PM
Current copyright law has expiration due to (1) time, or (2) author's choice.

-- GSH
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: bigbadbogie on November 01, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
I assume that it was copyrighted under American law.

What if people in other countries sought to claim the copyright?
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: AHadley on November 02, 2009, 07:37:15 AM
I don't think there are enough of us.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: General BlackDragon on November 02, 2009, 04:05:01 PM
quick, start reproducing! I call BBB  :-P
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: TheJamsh on November 02, 2009, 04:33:02 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: iron maiden on November 02, 2009, 08:01:02 PM
ha
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Mr X on November 02, 2009, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on November 01, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
I assume that it was copyrighted under American law.

What if people in other countries sought to claim the copyright?

It's probably protected under international copyright laws.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: iron maiden on November 03, 2009, 12:04:17 AM
we could steal said copyright and then burn it. :evil: :-D
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Clavin12 on November 10, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
What would happen if bz2 is remade in a modern engine?
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: bigbadbogie on November 10, 2009, 08:17:16 PM
Quote from: Clavin12 on November 10, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
What would happen if bz2 is remade in a modern engine?

It would be remade in a modern engine.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: sabrebattletank on November 11, 2009, 02:40:28 AM
Quote from: Clavin12 on November 10, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
What would happen if bz2 is remade in a modern engine?

The world would explode. Don't do it.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: GSH on November 11, 2009, 03:47:42 AM
Given current game development team sizes, a remake would take a team of 60-80, and a budget of $20-35 mil. (BZ2 was a dozen, maybe 18 people, and a budget of 1-2mil.) And a remake would still not sell any better.

-- GSH (bitter. And realistic.)
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: TheJamsh on November 11, 2009, 07:34:25 AM
And of course, the lack of demand for an FPS/RTS hybrid means it isn't going to happen. If it did, it wouldn't be a re-make of BZ2, unfortunately BZ2 had its chance to sell out and didn't. No company is going to spend millions on a dead game.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Rocket on November 15, 2009, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: TheJamsh on November 11, 2009, 07:34:25 AM
And of course, the lack of demand for an FPS/RTS hybrid means it isn't going to happen. If it did, it wouldn't be a re-make of BZ2, unfortunately BZ2 had its chance to sell out and didn't. No company is going to spend millions on a dead game.

uh oh....

did you just say bz2 was dead??
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Mr X on November 15, 2009, 09:05:47 PM
He means dead as in no-one will buy it.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: bigbadbogie on November 15, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
I would buy it.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Rocket on November 15, 2009, 09:13:31 PM
i would buy it, even to just encourage the companies that it is still a good game.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: iron maiden on November 15, 2009, 09:17:13 PM
I would by it to, force my freinds to buy it, force their friends to buy it, then force all people from Nebraska to but it and charge them interest, then run from an angry mob, then hide out in Belgium until the heat blows over, then go get lunch.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: sabrebattletank on November 15, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
I would buy it.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: TheJamsh on November 16, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
Well... for arguements sake, lets say 200 active BZ2 players buy it (the entire community :)), and then a few others around the globe buy it for S&G... not a great deal of reason to spend over $2,000,000 bread on re-making a game.

No one likes PC anymore unless your a modder... its all about consoles. That is the unfortunate but truthful reality. People don't want to worry about compatibility, OS version... they want to get some brewskies, put a disc in and just play straight away. Not to mention that hosting games etc on consoles is so easy it makes me want to cry that PC's cant work like that...

What was the most recent RTS game on XBOX? Halo Wars or something? If that was the first game under the 'halo' title, Halo would be dead by now.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: Nielk1 on November 16, 2009, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: TheJamsh on November 16, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
No one likes PC anymore unless your a modder... its all about consoles. That is the unfortunate but truthful reality. People don't want to worry about compatibility, OS version...

What are you smoking? Consoles are getting the shaft left and right for unreasonable prices for just MP and random bannings for adding an extra fan. PC is still the strongest of all game systems. Besides, you have to count the MMO life suckers that are 99% PC only. By that alone PC wins.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: AHadley on November 16, 2009, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: Nielk1 on November 16, 2009, 07:56:50 PM
What are you smoking? Consoles are getting the shaft left and right for unreasonable prices for just MP and random bannings for adding an extra fan. PC is still the strongest of all game systems. Besides, you have to count the MMO life suckers that are 99% PC only. By that alone PC wins.

Try telling that to the fanboys.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: lucky_foot on November 16, 2009, 10:12:27 PM
GSH is quite correct about being realistic. Even if we ALL bought the game, multiple copies, it wouldn't equal enough money to make any company try it. I mean, the budget is 30 to 40 million, that's just projected! One major delay could make it cost more.

I'm not bashing it, I just don't see the likelihood of a company picking it up.

We're it ladies and gentlemen. Let's keep fighting for the game we love. :)
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: iron maiden on November 16, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
That deserves to be the motto of the community.
Title: Re: re-release
Post by: lucky_foot on November 16, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
[Off-topic]

@Iron-Maiden,

Good luck with FE. I think it's was the most difficult game I've played today, but I felt so accomplished when I beat it!

[Topic returned to original Path]

It should. If it wasn't for GSH and his hard work, the beta tester teams, the Modders, the players. This game would have gone in the abyss long before now.