I come back here every so often to see how things are going and it frankly makes me sick.
You get some guys that try to be the voice of reason and then you have a guy post right under him... "Hovering should be an option"
I really can't believe it.. If GSH and Ken do one lick of new code, they should get a friggin medel...
I don't care if this is inflamatory.. Frankly I'm ashamed of you guys. Don't you realize what kind of a gift this is? Don't you realize how much this could benefit you? Can't you guys just DROP IT!!!
WRITE YOUR OWN GAME IF YOU DON't LIKE IT!!! There is so much good here that you guys are tarnishing with this drivel.. Someone creates a thread to thank Ken and GSH and you guys end up asking for hovering... I just can't believe it.
Sure people are playing FE and whatnot... They like the new races.. Do you realize that 1.3 gives you so many more options in that arena?? Do you realize how much your losing by trying to gain something that is so TRIVIAL.. Step back and look at what you are doing...
If you want to fly.. play 1.2 great have a good time... Please Please stop asking for it and bitching and complaining about 1.3...
Its' amazing to me and I'm frankly disappointed and disgusted... I was hopeing to see some amazing things with 1.3... I certainly have seen that... Great job with the update.... But the most amazing thing I have seen here are the so incredibly ungratefull people that play this game.. And you can't be young kids cuz this game has been out awhile....
I just can't believe it... Disappointment in you guys can't even express how I feel... and if this is 1/10 of what GSH and Ken are feeling than I can't imagine them putting more effort into this project... Which is a crying shame when you guys could have had these guys getting excited about finishing and tweaking the patch.... Instead you have them leaving....
Just forget about it... let it go.... Appreciate what has been done because it is unprecedented ... To bad it is equally unapreciated by these few who virus this board and bring it down so well....
I know that not everyone has been this way.. I'm frankly talking about the people who frequent this board and are so intent on cutting off their nose despite thier face.... And to think they don't even realize what they are doing.. They just go on.. "It would be fair" "It would be easy" "IF some of us like it than why don't you listen to me?"
"Why am I so stupid that I can't realize when someone is doing something nice for me and I don't realize that I am alienating those very people and if I keep it up I will get these guys to do absolutely NOTHING on this project which will kill the amazing potential that 1.3 has if things were discussed which actually MATTERED to someone other than the few of us who like to hear ourselves talk and who get off on punching holes in someones project that they have been working on in their spare time for years which doesn't mean anything to me becuase I'm a nimrod and why don't you do it the way that I WANT it even though the developers said that it was a bug, but I don't care why don't you do it my way and and and
DROP DEAD ... get a life... go someplace else if you don't like it... Stop bringing up that it would be nice to... but I want... Why would you take it out becuase it so easy to put it in CRAP....
PLAY 1.2... Leave those guys alone... do us all a favor... please....
GEEZ this whole situation makes me mental....
another topic like this...
And yet the other BS continues.
Nicely stated Knarly but a total waste of time. The whiners have pushed GSH into a very bad place and what could have been a major boon to the Community is now fading away.
Sad, very sad.
The worst thing is none of them seem to even realize what they've lost...
-Av-
Indeed its another topic like this however hasn't anyone noticed that its not the vets making these topics anymore? Please. Other gaming communities have their complaints with patches or what have you and the developers listen to what *their* players want and give it to them to a certain degree. Look at the development of Battlefield, Warcraft just to name a few popular games. Yes *some* vets went off the deep end and voiced their opinions, but all that has stopped. The 1.3 bashing has basically died down *ALOT*. So, some of us are on a vindictive warpath to make 1.3 even more for non-vets. Oh well.
Some of us rely on the "I don't care" philosophy, well guess what, it works both ways. The vets of this community decided *they* don't care either, about 1.3 or any other effort put into it because clearly they will never get back what they have gotten used to after all these many years of playing.
I won't front, I started screwing around with the 1.3PB after Natty released his G66v2 to the public because I thought it would renew an interest in *atleast* mpi players. Heh, I hardly see any games played nowadays except by some newbie clan called the ~OC~ or something like that and all they play is regular mpi. I won't front either that when some of those 1.3 specific mods get released I'll download them and try them out because I want to support their efforts. I want to support the developers efforts too but their *get back at them* attitude is disgusting.
I'm afraid that whatever 1.3 could have been is over. It was bashed to death before it was ever given a chance to develop. Nothing left to see here. Leave your flowers if you brought them, but then move along.
That sums it up nicely...
well said, all of you. just, lets not start this again. its already been done over and over. Please, nobody else reply to this anymore.
Some People Need to learn when to STOP the flaming because it doesn't serve the Community any good when this topic has already taken place many times in the past. I think everyone is already SICK of these type of flaming threads.
Can we lock the topic? That would be great, and maybe move it to the OT section or something, I agree *ALL* has been said enough times already.
I hate flying, always have...but i also hate the way GSH treats people, and i respect that other people have the right to enjoy the game just as much as me.
Guess thats my soundbite, please lock.
Yep, another thread dripping of vitriol. The people who believe that nose-hovering (flying) is not a "perversions", are not the reason for 1.3 dropping like a lead balloon.
Those that think that flying should be an option are the voice of reason.
The bz community isnt just on this board though is it, i find the topic title stupid for a gaming group that has been ongoing for so many years with such a small number of players, First time i read a bz2 community is dying mustve been over 4 years ago.
why dont we all just get out and do some gaming and have some gdamn fun.
As for posters that come back occasionally to then post topics like this, well should they even bother coming back eh seems they just stir even more trouble up.
I have always hated flying, i consider it disrespectful to the other player to use an exploit....but even i can see having it as an option is reasonable.
90% of vet games have ' no flying' as a rule anyway...having it as an option would mean that 90% of vet games would click the 'no flying' option...
alls well.
Quote from: AegeisHeh, I hardly see any games played nowadays except by some newbie clan called the ~OC~ or something like that and all they play is regular mpi.
I'm not certain but I think that ~OC~ is a BZ1 clan, other than that bit of input I won't get involved.
we bashed 1.3 before we gave it a chance?
hmmm riiiiight...
The question is, why bash it at all?
You can (and are supposed to) express what you do not like.
But why should you bash somebody elses work?
The only people who are doing that are people that never produce anything usefull.
Only those who do nothing, make no mistake.
Quote from: AegeisHeh, I hardly see any games played nowadays except by some newbie clan called the ~OC~ or something like that and all they play is regular mpi.
Heh ~Öç~ has been a BZ 1 Clan since the game was first released , just FYI. And yes they are newbies to BZ 2, mainly because we all thought the pre 1.3 versions sucked, alot of good ideas but physics weren't thought out very well. Personally I will only play in a 1.3 game. The other versions are too much like a hacked game. I plan on making Mods and Maps for 1.3 so I hope the work continues on it. I'm sure GSH has to a degree, the opinion that who cares what others think, he is doing it because he loves the game and wants to improve it. Hopefully he doesnt put too much emphasis on the ravings of unappreciative people. I know the amount of work involved and it is unreal. 1.3 has tremendous potential and with some tweaking I believe it will catch on and even bring the BZ 1 community here.
I played BZ1 for a year b4 playing bz2 some of the bz1 community has already come and stayed in BZ2 everyone has their own opinions on whats prefured, personally i prefure the freedom that 1.2 physics gives.
Dont get me wrong i loved BZ1 for what it was, a great single player but i found it seriously lacking compared to BZ2 and i certainly dont want BZ1 physics , even though i did rather like the thumper :D .
Currently gameplay in strats is still superior in the 1.2 patch BZ2 is what it is, BZ2 "2" not a hacked version, infact if my memory serves me correct wasnt BZ1 the version that got hacked good n proper.
@ fish...
because at 1 point u get real sick of all the flamming, locking and deleteing posts
thats like what? 100th time im saying it... the "i know how u feel but i just dont care" didnt help as well...
and when u get angry u dont always control urself at 100%
and the flamming kept going from both sides
Quote from: SpacecomberI'm afraid that whatever 1.3 could have been is over.
Wrong. 1.3 is de facto a MPI mod. And the best one IMO. Just because of its playability. Give more maps and you add more popularity. I still hope FE will come to 1.3 one day.
There are two reasons for the little numbers of 1.3 games hosted online.
1st - the vets dont like it
2nd - noobs are too small numbers nowadays to make a big effect on the number of hosted games in general
Just ask yourself "who are the people hosting BZ2 games online".
The neurotic crusade of the patch makers against 1.2 physics definitely is what reduces 1.3 popularity but not so much because of vets do like hover so much but because of the big amount of time the patch makers spent to change physics (and other uncalled tweaks like removnig the editor from the game runtime). Read this bit of a quote from GSH in http://www.bzuniverse.com/~bz2cp/forum/forum.php?t=topic&fn=1&tn=589&page=8&tf=oldpand&lang=1en&uuid=7d65c7866e372b2a73cf699d1a0ba80b
from 22-10-01
"To respond to a few things above: right now, I'd say the focus is on the really 'critical' bugs in the game-- some crashbugs, incompatabilities with DirectX 8, etc. I'd like to get a 1.21 out sooner, rather than later, so more wishlist stuff may be done after that."
GSH (and Ken?) completely left this wise decision and as a result 1.3 became a 2 1/2 years project although it was obvious from the beginning that everything beyond 1/2 year would never meet sufficient public anymore to justify the increased developing and testing input.
Stop these stupid accusations who splits the community and whatever. This community is already too small to get split! As PF and Aeg already stated, there is no split due to 1.3 since hardly anyone is playing it. After the release of 1.3pb a number of vets and fans checked it out for a few weeks and the result was that people decided to stick to 1.2 and FE. The _playing_ community is solid as a rock. There´s a split though: between the playing and the modding community. But thats just here on the boards and doesnt affect the playing community one bit.
there was always a split of the 'modders' and the 'vets'
remember when FE came out?
It was labeled a newbie mod and no 'vet' wanted to play it. why?
because rec-defense was set on default. Thats just too ridiculous.
'vets' complained that they were not involved in beta testing while we had plenty of high named 'vets' in our beta group that never gave any feedback.
Things got slightly better after TV took on RevB. However, TV is highly regarded in both 'vet' and 'modder' circles. So, in this sense, he saved the day ;)
So I do agree with you GJC, until you exclude the modders from the playing community.
What do you think? When I mod BZ2 40 hours a week (next to my 40 hour week work in product development) I am not playing the game? Is my way of enjoying the game inferior to yours? Or better yet, only online gaming is the true gaming? all those 56kers that restrict themselves to offline play are not part of the gaming community? Thats BS. And you know it.
Quote from: Knarly_DeathI come back here every so often to see how things are going and it frankly makes me sick.
You get some guys that try to be the voice of reason and then you have a guy post right under him... "Hovering should be an option"
I really can't believe it.. If GSH and Ken do one lick of new code, they should get a friggin medel...
I don't care if this is inflamatory.. Frankly I'm ashamed of you guys. Don't you realize what kind of a gift this is? Don't you realize how much this could benefit you? Can't you guys just DROP IT!!!
WRITE YOUR OWN GAME IF YOU DON't LIKE IT!!! There is so much good here that you guys are tarnishing with this drivel.. Someone creates a thread to thank Ken and GSH and you guys end up asking for hovering... I just can't believe it.
Sure people are playing FE and whatnot... They like the new races.. Do you realize that 1.3 gives you so many more options in that arena?? Do you realize how much your losing by trying to gain something that is so TRIVIAL.. Step back and look at what you are doing...
If you want to fly.. play 1.2 great have a good time... Please Please stop asking for it and bitching and complaining about 1.3...
Its' amazing to me and I'm frankly disappointed and disgusted... I was hopeing to see some amazing things with 1.3... I certainly have seen that... Great job with the update.... But the most amazing thing I have seen here are the so incredibly ungratefull people that play this game.. And you can't be young kids cuz this game has been out awhile....
I just can't believe it... Disappointment in you guys can't even express how I feel... and if this is 1/10 of what GSH and Ken are feeling than I can't imagine them putting more effort into this project... Which is a crying shame when you guys could have had these guys getting excited about finishing and tweaking the patch.... Instead you have them leaving....
Just forget about it... let it go.... Appreciate what has been done because it is unprecedented ... To bad it is equally unapreciated by these few who virus this board and bring it down so well....
I know that not everyone has been this way.. I'm frankly talking about the people who frequent this board and are so intent on cutting off their nose despite thier face.... And to think they don't even realize what they are doing.. They just go on.. "It would be fair" "It would be easy" "IF some of us like it than why don't you listen to me?"
"Why am I so stupid that I can't realize when someone is doing something nice for me and I don't realize that I am alienating those very people and if I keep it up I will get these guys to do absolutely NOTHING on this project which will kill the amazing potential that 1.3 has if things were discussed which actually MATTERED to someone other than the few of us who like to hear ourselves talk and who get off on punching holes in someones project that they have been working on in their spare time for years which doesn't mean anything to me becuase I'm a nimrod and why don't you do it the way that I WANT it even though the developers said that it was a bug, but I don't care why don't you do it my way and and and
DROP DEAD ... get a life... go someplace else if you don't like it... Stop bringing up that it would be nice to... but I want... Why would you take it out becuase it so easy to put it in CRAP....
PLAY 1.2... Leave those guys alone... do us all a favor... please....
GEEZ this whole situation makes me mental....
you said all that to say we suck? if we suck and if you dont like this place just say if we suck and if you dont like this place. dont give a adress to the nation speech.
Pharoh, he wasn't saying that we all suck, just a few people who complain about the lack of hovering, besides I think Knarly Death shopuld be entitled to put his opinon across, after all we get the damn"vets" opinion all the time.
Personally, I don't mind how to learn flying, but if the developers don't want flying then it is up to them, not some damn cliques of people calling themselves vets, legally the game is not the vet's at all.
At first I got real mad about "certain people" on here saying that the game was made for then, not the developers, but now I laugh at them because they show how dumb they really are , So it's your game huh?
OK then why don't you program BZ3 by yourselves and don't bother to tell Acitvision or Pandemic if it's your game I am sure after a brief litigation court case WHICH YOU WOULD LOSE you would soon be educated out of your populist, dumb half blind slogans like that.
We are very lucky that there has been a patch 1.3, because you see Battlezone 2 is 4 years old now, most games from that time don't get updated patches anymore they are simply sold on to Sold Out and repacked as budget games or , in the US end up in the bargin bin basement in Walmart. Most of the other programmers at Pandemic have left the Battlezone project and have moved on to Starwars Battlefront , Star Wars as a brand name can bring in more money than BZ2 ever will , plus more prestige so Ken and Nathan don't have to take the crap they get on here. Why take it ? after all they can get more money and apprecaiton from a wider gaming public with Star Wars Battlefront than waste time with this "community" which is so small anyway.
They did this patch because they loved BZ2 and they wanted to see the game become the full vision of the game the team orginally intended in the 1st place. Anyone don't like it you know where you can go, You have 1.2, play that instead if you like hovering, real simple, but stop slagging off other people's work because let's face it none of us would be here if the wasn't a Battlezone series in the first place.
As for this crap about newbies and vets well that might be a good thing to play 1.3 online, I played 1.2 and F.E multiplayer, hosting it and get nothing but assholes who think they can just march in and take over and bark out their order's
Plenty of times have I nearly come to losing MPI and Strat games because these so called vet's can't even understand about defending the base while it get's built , they run of seeking glory and you are alway's there having to crank out stupid service pods because these brain deads get shot up or they lose their damn ship before you have any decent defenses up.
It would be nice to see more games in 1.3 and I think when the patch goes from beta to final you will see more people on them, possibly new people from games like the Battlefield 1942 seires or Chrome or Breed or Halo or even Star Wars Battlefront.
If you wish to critise the 1.3 patch, do so showing some respect, and not in the offensive manner some critize on here.
One thing I do agree with thugh, this argument has been chewed over a million times on here and both sides won't chagne their opinions I suspect, but those who like to really flame against 1.3 remember this :
1) The developers ain't getting paid to develop this patch for this game
2) This game is old
3) The developers can make more money and get better appreciation orking on other games
4) How would you like it if someone comes along and tells you first your life works is for them, not you and that your improvements stink
DVE - if I made a clay pot then sold it to you, whose clay pot would it be?
No, it's more like they made a clay pot...
You bought it...
They said "we forgot to give you a lid for it"...
You download "Lid 1.1"...
Then they said "we forgot the seal for the lid"...
You download "Lid 1.2"...
Then, a year later, someone who originally worked on the pot offers to paint the clay pot for you free of charge, but only the way THEY want it painted. Unfortunately they paint it in colors you hate, but then again what the hey, it was a free paint job...
Luckily they used water colors and you could go back to pot + Lid 1.2, while others seemed to like the pot with the free paint job...
Meanwhile, back at the Oasis, the Arabs are eating their dates...
-Av-
:)
Yeah yeah, it's nice of them doing the patch etc etc... Removed the exp. Rec and air damage, nasty people blah blah blah, can't be arsed to discuss that one again.
Makes no difference at all, it's still my pot. DVE seems to have a problem with people who bought the game off the developers claiming that it's their game, when it obviously is.
Quote from: Loki
Heh ~Öç~ has been a BZ 1 Clan since the game was first released.
Which game? Not BZ1.
Mower rolls up the pot and smokes it!!!
Blech! Taste like 1.3!!!
(he he he 'tis a joke)
Quote from: DarkFoxMakes no difference at all, it's still my pot. DVE seems to have a problem with people who bought the game off the developers claiming that it's their game, when it obviously is.
Right, we do own the game. But its them who owns the code. There just needs to be some compromise inbetween those two that fails to form every time its tried...
I will throw the same question back st you Dark Fox, if you have the orginal design for the clay pot, but you sold copies and your customer said "Hey, the orginal design is mine because I got a copy of , Who's design is it really?
Especially if the customer then decides to make different types of versions you didn't want of that claypot you designed and make claims that it is his design because he bought a copy tell me is it his design?
OK to answer your question the claypot would be mine and I would have certain rights because I bought that copy of the claypot you designed for it to work properly and for free services and warranty for 3 months to a 1 year depending on the warranty.
But the design is yours, not mine and you are entitled to change the design of that product you made n obody else is unless you give them the permission to.
Answering Avatar, yes you have the clay pot and that copy is yours but as I said, they have obligations to their customer who bought in good faith the pot to make sure that it :
1) Works as it is meant to work as the designer said it would work
2) to provide free service and updates and even a replacement of that pot if it doesn't work.
3) To carry out good customer service and to inform the customer of changes and to inform the customer of changes
Now, unless you are totally daft or delberately wish for the product not to sell, you would make sure that your changes to the product are agreable to most of your customers, not just a few who say they are the "veterans" of your product so you should only cater for their needs, yes listen to their views but at the end of the day, if you are satisfied with most other customers viewsthen you go with the oher custoers and at the end of the day the final decision is yours. You see, companies, individuals and anyone else who has a product selling has a copyright on of their orginal desgin (unless they are dumb)so in effect, they can offer you a year later offer you a free paint job on the pot and give you colours you hate. Anyone doing that though would be pretty arogant and stupid to do that but legallly that is exactly what can be done.
But then, they do that, then they lose customers, so unless you really want to lose customers to the opposition you don't do that, however we are not talking about pot's here we are talking about games and games are intellectual property of whoever owns the copyright. Now I have stated this before and I am afraid that is an immoveable fact in international law.
Wehn you bought the game, apart from the fact that Activision and Pandemic should make sure the copy of Battlezone and Battlezone 2 you bought should work properly on your computer and it should be patched to that effect, changes to the gamelay that the developers ,designers e.tc they have absoltue rights to, they will of course give little leway and listen to the players advice and implement those changes after all we are all customers and we have a right to be heard but they have ultimate rights to change gameplay and design.
There is a reason why rappers try to avoid using other groups music unlike what they use to do in the past.
And you own a copy of the game. Not the game
So you own the game, Dark Fox? OK then, why is there going to be no Battlezone 3 , Come on, since you own the game why no Battlezone 3?
Why can't we have massive maps in mulitplayer so we can have proper strategy mathces instead of rubbish "kill scavs and extracts" deathmatch crap?
We demand you or the developers make another Battlezone 3 because since we bought the game , we own it so there will be another Battlezone 3 so I can just go and make another Batlezone 3 since I own the game , is that right?
Or since you own it why no Battlezone 3?
Ooh! How about if the pot had a few leaks, but was naturally anti-gravitic, and it had the tendancy to float around unless tied down? Then comes the paintjob offer that not only fixes most of the leaks, but also destroys the anti-gravitic properties, which was oh so much fun to play with, and the paintjob would make Picasso turn in his grave. Wut should be the next course of action?
... and wut the heck am I getting at with this? I have no freakin' clue!
Anyhoo, I think this has gone beyond the mere ownership of the game or copies of it. True, many of us paid money for it in hopes of getting a worthy successor to Battlezone, but didn't to an extent because a few people at Activision made a grab for the Corporate Stupidity Awards. Fortunately for us, a few good people decided to stick around in an effort to salvage wut was lost to a decision to rush completion of the game, which was ultimately not their fault, and I cannot thank them enough for that. Obviously, this was never about the money. From wut I can gather, it was about the fulfillment of a vision, and it's only natural that some of the people who paid for it would want some part in the shaping of that vision. I guess this is the territory that's in dispute.
As I've said before, it's not the money; Rather, I think the trust that comes with it that should be given a little extra consideration.
EDIT: Thanks for the heads up, Mower. :)
Pandemic did not set the release date, or the development cycle. That was Activision.
DVE - I don't own battlezone3, I own battlezone2.
As for all that crap about the original designs of the pot and everything - same answer, I still don't own the pot, I sold it to you. Designs and the like have nothing to do with things. I can claim I own the game because I *do* own the game. I went and bought it the week it was released. In fact, I've brought it twice so far, so I suppose I own it twice. Don't get so offensive towards people that claim they own the game, and for god's sake don't try to argue otherwise, you're the guy sounding like an idiot by telling people that they don't. You're so wrong it's not even funny, it's mildly irritating.
DF, just look at this quote:
Quote from: Der Vampyr Engel
Plenty of times have I nearly come to losing MPI and Strat games because these so called vet's can't even understand about defending the base while it get's built , they run of seeking glory and you are alway's there having to crank out stupid service pods because these brain deads get shot up or they lose their damn ship before you have any decent defenses up.
I, too, was tempted to respond but whats the point in arguing with someone who obviously isnt afraid of discussing things he has no friggin idea of. Some people just dont feel any pain.
Yea, I know, Im getting personal again. But hey, there are only the two ways to deal with people who´s personality is the whole issue: attacking their person or completely ignore them. The latter one is certainly the wiser option. Everything else will inflate their presence even more.
I noticed that, and nearly quoted it, but only re-reading it do I see he's not just complaing about pilots failing to defend the base, he's complaining about having to build pods for them. You're right, there's no hope reasoning with DVE until he's played a few games online.
-- My last post to DVE on this issue --
Yeah you still didn't answer my question DF and one question in there was related to BZ2. ANd I bought the game when they released it as well, I think pleanty people on here did athough I will admit I didn't buy Battlezone 1 the week they releeased it, more like monthes after they released it, but you say you own the game? then OK Why can't you do your own offical 1.4 flying patch if what I am talking is crap?
As for stupid jerks who piss off and leave other in the lurch while others have to build the damn base for them and waste time cranking out ships or services pods when, if they just defended the base for a while they would get a damn service bay or dower and think you have no idea of what I'm talking about there is only one thing I got for them. I mean I don't mind cranking out service pods if they are defending the base, but when they simply pee off and don't bother defending the base and then want to have a go because they don't like what they hear I have only one thing for them.
The finger.
DVE, if every1 sais ur wrong - ur probably wrong...
i dont own the rights of the game, but i do OWN the game...
i can make 1.4 officel patch... officel for me though - not for any1 else...
will be MY officel 1.4
BUT the *real* officel 1.4 will have to be from the company, because they have the rights and they made the game from the 1st place... but its 2 difrent things...
they are selling a product... but if ppl dont like it they will complain - and if they look for something in the new product that they had in the old one - they will scream (some...)
ppl will espicely go crazy if the company will tell them "we dont care"
untill u cant beat mpi in hmm lets be large... 20 mins dont talk about idiots ingame alright?
I 'll say what I'll like PF and I have beaten MPI before OK? Not only that I am right, but you all can think what you like and do what you like you can simply find out the hard way.
And if I am there doing the base and some jerk goes off trying to get glory and comes back on foot while I am trying to get a decent base up they're jerks , got it?
Look , best thing to do is if you host a game, don't let me in because I am getting to the point where I will simply throw people out if they carry on doing that kind of thing. When the goddamn base is built you can go and have your battle glory, fly, have 50 Ass tanks or if your playing Scoins 50 Maulers whatever you want, but you can't have it with just a bloody rec and pods right?
Anyway, most of the time , when I host a game I get newbies, I prefer them to the "vets", I get some vet's but not many and seeing the way they behave I don't care to have too many of them around.
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Calm down everyone. As for rights to the game, legally you own your copy, but all source, code, interfaces, and objects are owned by the company that made it (mabye the publisher depending on their contract). You only bought the *right* to play it. Legally you are not even allowed to modify it.
i said this a long time ago in one of my other post:
"my point exactly-:this has turned into another squable. people nit pick on everything we say in our post. they extract every little word and put it together to make those who post look ignorant and malicious. stay away if you are here to argue. i dont want to hear about this hover crap. its a old topic and everyone can take that @#!% over to the other forums. im tired of it"
why are we fighting about "owning and owning a copy of it" Who cares!? i dont. Knarly_Death needs to know one thing. we have a really really really bad habbit of spaming and going way way way off topic.
Personally I would have locked this about 3-6 posts ago as that is when it has got really out of hand. This board has already been through so much, it does not need to go through more.