what mods and expansions can i download to 1.3 publec beta,
i need some help on what mods and expansions i can download to my current battlezone verison 1.3 public beta
the only compatiable mod for the public beta is g66 2.0, a few other mods in beta, besides taht, nothing :D
ok thank you very much
As of now, only one mod is available for 1.3 which is G66 2.0. Other mods are in development too including Flesh Storm, Dune Command. BZRAP, Epic, and probably many more.
FE as well, lets not forget FE.
I wasn't aware FE is in development.
Could you give an update of who is doing what?
and what has been accomplished so far?
Quote from: FishboneI wasn't aware FE is in development.
Could you give an update of who is doing what?
and what has been accomplished so far?
lol funny you should mention that fishy I don't think any of the original FE team were aware of it's continued development :P .
hemp is jsut doingsome balance testing i think, now units ect
well to be honest it's going to take quite a large effort to port the entire mod over to 1.3 , considering the amount of things that have changed I can imagine that many of the missions will be broken by the conversion , I know the fleshstorm missions all got broken when I went from 1.2 to 1.3 .
I'm not opposed to seeing FE converted to 1.3 but I do hope that the job is done properly and that isn't just some sort of hack job .
I updated the shells to be 1.3 compatible. Fishbone received those when I got Deathmatch launchable in 1.3. I also tweaked several of the weapons so the console wouldn't open up due to nonexistent objects. The weapons may need to be looked at though. Now that I think about it, some of the effects may have been misspelled on purpose to help with performance, I don't know though. The original weapon makers would need to be asked about these.
I doubt there will be any single player mission for 1.3
most of them are broken.
ai behaves differently.
Idle dispatcher.
timing of attacks.
some tricks dont work anymore
new tricks are available.
Most of the problems also apply for online play.
the only thing that might be done easily (read: without spending a year to do a decent job) is a 1.3 patch for FE strat.
Whether this makes sense when we are right now still trying to balance the 2 stock races, I doubt it.
Quote from: CommandoThe weapons may need to be looked at though. Now that I think about it, some of the effects may have been misspelled on purpose to help with performance, I don't know though. The original weapon makers would need to be asked about these.
And therein lies at least one of the problems , the people who made the original weapons for FE are no longer part of the community and haven't been seen for quite some time , for example Pastell , Nthdegree256 and Gray were the ones mostly responsible for designing the Hadean weapons .
As Fishbone points out converting FE to work in 1.3 is not just a simple matter of altering a few .cfg files , it's a massive undertaking that would take at least a year's development time from a dedicated team to do proper justice to it . Most of the original FE devs have moved away from the BZ2 community many of whom haven't been seen in a long time , those few of us that are left are already upto our necks in our own projects and as far as I know none of us are particularly interested in porting FE over to 1.3 . If you merely want to convert FE strat to work in 1.3 why bother ? The Hadeans are already going to be included in BZRAP so it's pretty much the same thing but with more races .
The way I see it FE is a 1.2 mod , it works perfectly well in 1.2 , most players have both 1.2 and 1.3 installs so to convert FE to 1.3 is essentially a pointless exercise that will be vastly time consuming for those involved .
*shock*, I was looking forward so much to doing an FE for 1.3. and BZRAP will most likly change all sorts of balence factors...
If FE is not converted to 1.3, and it is one of the best mod's ever made for *any* game....it would be such a waste! not tomention all of the effort put into create the diffferent revisions.
uhhh ?!? why is it a waste when it can still be played in 1.2 by anyone , please explain the advantages of converting to 1.3 ?
well, lizard, your missing a point, FE had great balance and I'm not sure if BZRAP will have same balance, but even if it will, some people are waiting for FE for 1.3, if the hadeans are gonna be in BZRAP then converting FE for 1.3 should be easier (sounds logical, but I'm no modder) since you already have the race...
I dont care much for FE single player, but FE multiplayer, if you already have the 3 races, isnt it just a metter of ODF modding?
and as for 1.2 - if 1.3 will be better then 1.3 - then everyone will play 1.3 wont they? then those wh want to play FE will be stuck on 1.2 - more dividing between 1.2 and 1.3
well FE will be in effect a different version anyway so whichever way you look at it there will still be a division .
Anyhow no-one is stopping anyone from converting FE to 1.3 are they ? It's just that those of us who originally worked on FE are now busy with other projects . Seems to me that if it is after all just ODF editing there is nothing to stop those that want a 1.3 version of FE from making it themselves .
Quote from: Fishbone
Most of the problems also apply for online play.
the only thing that might be done easily (read: without spending a year to do a decent job) is a 1.3 patch for FE strat.
I like that idea, the Hadean/Cerberi would benift greatly from the new features of 1.3. Could make very intersting strat games. Besides, I miss my Kamikaze's, I loved those things. ;)
ive always wanted to try allied strat with hadean and scion.
blink xerkies!!
I think a future download that would be '' FE for 1.3 '' (much smaller than the full FE and would infact just be for multiplayer) sounds great. Sadly however, it is more than just odf editing. Along with a another balence revision probably having to be done, there are also problems with walkers, tracked units, etc that are a require a bit more knowhow.
so, you seem to come to the same conclusion: it takes quite a commitment to produce FE for 1.3
As far as I know, TS has a working Cerberi and Hadean race(mesh and animation wise). Why don't you guys try helping him with his BZRAP?
That would be a wise way to combine your efforts to bring Hadeans and Cerberi to 1.3 strat. Besides, you even get the great Uler in there. What a mix!
squirrelof09: One Mod that I do know was compatible with 1.3 was Sonic's "In the Shadows" which is very good!! :lol:
The FE single-player missions seem to work fine (at least the part one missions, some part two, haven't tested the latter missions). In fact, PB1 seems to enhance the gameplay by making the units a little more intelligent (less susceptable to predictable strafing exploit) though at the cost of some balance, where previous to PB1, it was a simple massed assault that was effective instead of units actually acting intelligent.
Broken shell can be fixed by merging the configs in a certain order (with the 1.2->FE configs having a higher priority over the 1.3 configs, though a total rebuilding of 1.3 configs are in order) Complaints of broken assets can be fixed easily. And the MP missions have spawning-related bugs, its nothing that a little rebuilding and tweaking of the DLLs cant fix, allowing for 3rd party features to be built into the new scripts.
Aside from fixing of the MP DLLs, Jwk can easily carry out the fixing of a great deal of the problems. Providing that he's willing to put his nose to the grindstone instead of simply putting out ideas.
I already fixed the shell files for MP and sent them to fishbone a while ago. I took the existing FE shells and added in the missing elements. MPI button, etc. The shell isn't an issue. Weapons result in a lot of errors, but that can be fixed by commenting out the bad effect names or by modifying them so they point to the correct odf. I'm not sure if the typos were intentional because the effects were too much for lower end computers or if they were just typos.