I think it might be because the morph speed has been reduced to 3 seconds instead of 5. Now when a unit morphs it starts to fade into chrome them 'snaps' into full chrome ....then snaps back into 'fading to normal texture' state. Originally the full normal-fade-chrome-fade-normal takes 5 seconds, but it was changed to 3, in the change-log (holyiest of thou) it mentions how this is change from 3-5 was ment to get the morphing to be 'in-sync'.....but i think that they judged 'sync' as when the polygons stopped shifting, not nessesarily when the over-all graphica afffect finshed.
IMO, Medium bug classification is for something that affects gameplay, or is suddenly noticable (ie: as noticable as lighting one->none)
(Edit: Me being a jerk removed. I'm not helping anything.)
It should be returned to 5 seconds. Since the full animation has the chrome affect as part of the process.
why bring this up and why do you care?
make a recyc variant
Spawn brought it to my attention that this morph time is completely under our control through odf tweaking. For all scion morph tanks, add the following, excludeing the header "[DeployableClass]", as its already there. That will set the morph and unmorph times to 5 seconds to match 1.2 values.
[DeployableClass]
timeDeploy = 5.0
timeUndeploy = 5.0
I care because the devil is in the details.
As i suspected it only took an odf tweak. This tweak should be made to be 5 seconds not 3 for all the scion units that morph.
Hopefullly the final 1.3 patch will have this corrected.
Nice to see your still giving orders hemp.
Does this "break" gameplay?...No, it doesn't. It alters it a little but doesn't break the playability. We have bigger bugs to zap.
But it's one of those 'little things' nontheless...
Too many of those is just as bad as a bad bug, imo it's best to rid of them all - though I prefer 3 second morphing time myself.
Surely it's possible to change the fade times?
it doesnt matter at all
it affects balance, but there are bigger things to work on...
If its such an important issue, you can fix it by tweaking all of the scion morph tanks. There are maybe six at the most. To fix this game breaking issue, create a variant that doesn't have this issue, the ability to fix the issue is there. The only thing that was changes was the DEFAULT morph and unmorph times.
yah, and if you read the paragraph it says that it would help them do better againt combonations of attackers when they can morph 2 seconds faster, ooo wow,...2 seconds...why, do you miss it? too late, there it goes, bye bye.
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some times people make me reall want to hit them on the head with a portable bathroom.
Why the hell is everyone getting so bitchy over a tiny detail.
Firstly lots of tiny errors are as bad as a big error, so the need to fix them is there...and if its so small then *why are you getting angry and irritated when you could just get out of the way and let others fix it*
Its ignoring details that got us into the problem of having to make patchs in the first place ffs.
Its just the way you say it, more like a demand then a request like its your devine right or something, tough luck kiddo.. dont bother crying you wanted an answer.
*edit* yea tell me how 4 programmers (respectively) biting off way more then they could chew and acti pushing an unrealistic release date results (in your mind) a few "details" that require patchs..
So ontop of the above id have to add your twisted and acute perspective on the world as another answer.
a) i am not 'kiddo' or twisted or warped or whatever annoying insult you can say. What I am is trying to make sure the 1.3 patch is as good as it can be.
b) The point of a beta test is to point out details like this
c) I wasn't making a jab at the people who made bz2. I was making a *generic statement* about attitudes towards getting things done. Would you want a different attitude if I was filling up the oil in the breaks to your car?
d) if its so easily fixed back to what it should be then why are you getting so defensive?
Can you guys please tone it down man....i point out something like this and so far its
"Nice to see your still giving orders hemp."
"some times people make me reall want to hit them on the head with a portable bathroom."
"your twisted and acute perspective"
"demand then a request like its your devine right or something, tough luck kiddo"
The topic is labeled Medium for a reason. The only reason its not minor is because it has a slight affect on a scouts abilty to run away.
Infact...I was the one who made a big thing about labeling things minor/Medium/MAJOR to *make it easier for you guys*. So please, please stop harrasing me when I am only trying to help.
Quote from: Commando...you can fix it by tweaking all of the scion morph tanks. There are maybe six at the most.
There ya go, if ya want it fixed then go shoten the animations. Send GSH the new models and i bet he'd be happy to put them in 1.3. Like ZA did for the broken 1.3 tunnels.
For all the tedious work involved in reanimating the models, I really don't think its worth fixing a minor(at best) graphics bug. Minor because the bug you mention does not hinder the actual gameplay. In fact the cause for the bug IMO affects gameplay in a positive way.
On the topic of minor graphics glitches, does anyone know the cause of the X for ground splashes? Most noticable in the GT plasma or Natty's minigun rounds. Is this intended? If not, how would one go about fixing it?
You can add this one (http://users.adelphia.net/~jgima67%20/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/yrlohbn.jpg) to your list hemp :D
I was saying Hemp could address the issue by adding the following to the Warrior, Scout, Lancer, Sentry, and any other scion morphing ship in the game.
[DeployableClass]
timeDeploy = 5.0
timeUndeploy = 5.0
That would restore the morph time to 5 seconds which is used in 1.2.
Oh I see. Although I like the shortened morph times :) Two seconds can make a difference ingame. Especially noticable if you're being pumped full of biometal and you can't shoot back :P
Yeah, I agree. I'm just posting the info for those that want to take the time to create a recycler variant that does what they want it to do.
Good idea. Speaking of recycler variants, is there a way to add a variant without overwriting the recylist file? So you can just unzip variants with the same ease as unzipping new maps?
I have a recycler to put out in a zip, but I dont want to add the recylist in the archive as it would overwrite or be overwritten as they install other recys.
The other way I see of doing this is thorugh MM5 since it has an addrecy option for 1.3. This way though everyone in the session needs to exit 1.3 everytime you want to use a different recycler.
you could see how mm5 does that
hemp, people pissed at you cause your too stupid/lazy to find things out for yourself and ask other people to do the work for you, and its not the graphical part thats medium, its the balance part and you can adjust taht as you please
"some times people make me reall want to hit them on the head with a portable bathroom."
that was just a joke, nothing serious, and was aimed at everyone who is arguing and insulting over a "STUPID" little nothing that can be adressed later. Yes the animations are a little off, but this will probably be fixed before the final release.
Calm down before someone finds this topic and decides to lock it :o
General, you have no idea how good that is to hear. No really, it has actually made me smile....
however this
"stupid/lazy to find things out for yourself and ask other people to do the work for you"
doen't make me smile.
I am not stupid or lazy spawn. Those are two things anyone who knows me in the real world would never *Ammo*ing dare to call me. You litterally 'do not know' what you are talking about. Now, onto the second have of that scentance.
I am not asking them to do the work for me, I am asking for it to be noted and corrected. Who actually*does* the correcting be it me or GSH or time virus or whoever...i don't mind. What I would like however is for the correcting to be done to make the patch as good as it can be.
Which is and has been my attitude all along.
I always figured that those 2 seconds of morphing time were because the the morphing of the inner-mechanics and cockpit of the ship took a bit longer to rearrange than the outside of the ship. I never considered it to be a bug. But that's just me. :D
What I did consider odd though was the fact that you could see the engine flame over the biometal while morphing.
makes you wonder how you can even move when morphing...
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:?
:lol:
its a simple odf tweak, you could make it and send it to gsh, you could have found out what it was on your own, but you didnt, you waited for someone else to tell you then demanded pacifully that it be included. you called it a bug that needed fixing when it isnt, at MOST its a balance issue.
i didnt mean to offend you, sorry that i did
The whole point of a beta is that people point these sort of things out Spawn. Its called positive critism. This isn't the '' praise for 1.3 only fourm'' is it.
This is one of those tiny mistakes, which on their own arn't much but lots of tiny mistakes are as bad as one big one. I am perfectly justified in making a post about it, so lets be civil about it.
Moron
Sorry (not really) had to say that.
Sigh...
Ok, enough... bug reported, examples given, now we're devolving into insults. Much as I hate to use that lock button it seems appropriate now as I don't see any further usefulness to this thread...
-Av-