my grafic settings keep reseting why is that and is there a patch if so post the link
your graphics go down to improve framerates
ok thx
This is a "feature" which I personally do not like about 1.3, but in theory might prove helpful for players w/ modest computers.
When a next 1.3 is released. someone is gonna need to tell me how to adjust those setting so they NEVER adjust, in 1.3 pb for me I set those settings per instructions and it was still changing and my framerates were always in the 30+ rate.
its in gameprefs.ini :lol:
Yeah I hear ya BZ FeebleEffort, I'd like the "feature" to be more of a "option" myself.
I find it a bit too much at times. I have about the slowest computer out there (650mhz) and I'm lucky if I can stay in the 30+ range for very long but having the game get both slow AND ugly makes it worse for me.
If it was an option I could see players with powerful PC's never needing it unless the have lots of units in a built up base in front of them on screen.
If this could be "hotkey'ed" for players who see their frame-rate dropping then it could help recover some of the FPS when needed.
If Commando or someone else on the v1.3 beta has addressed this already then perhaps it will be a non-issue in the future.
If your computer is bad enough that the auto thing kicks in, then you *NEED* it. I don't think it should be an option, I think it should be mandatory, built into the game itself with no possability to change. If you don't want it kicking in then upgrade your computer. I've been playing at over 1500 fps, about 1100 fps in heavy battles, never has it kicked on, on this computer, but if I played with you and you suddenly started lagging because your graphics didn't decrease (yes FPS plays a massive role in how much you lag), I would not every play in a game with you again.
Over, I would be the last person to ? your accuracy...but "1500 fps, about 1100 fps " Sounds a bit insanely high...Seeing how XP has a built in limit to FPS/ w/ refresh rate...I wonder how u could get fromaes like that(yes I know there is some tweak to work around the XP limit), but still 1500?
I can easily understand 150 or 175. fps..but 1500?
Be that as it may, My comp is quite able(p4 3.0 w/ HT and geforce 4 256 meg 5950 Ultra graphics 1 gig ram.)...So I certianly don't think I'm "underpowered". Perhaps later buoilds of 1.3 are better than 1.3 pb...but it seems on my machine I get about every "bad break" you could get from 1.3...And this auto adjusting graphics just makes a everything look bad even when my frames are a comfortable 30 -40 FPS...
And yes I know its in the gameprefs..its just that, "tweaked" or not, they still adjust and the whole graphics suffer as a result.
I am against the auto-adjusted graphics in their entirety, I often find myself having a fight with my computer in the graphics options page. Plus I notice very little change in the FPS when it decides to drop my poor ass down to lowest possible graphics. Maybe a difference of about 4-8 FPS. This also affects gameplay because half the time at lower graphics one finds oneself being struck by invisible projectiles and staring at a godawful enviroment while trying very hard to discern an enemy ship from the single tone terrain, or some water.
And more than that, these auto graphics take away control of your own options page, why bother having a graphic option page at all if you can't control it?
Now I'm all for reducing lag here but still, this should be an option in both the main options page and for servers in the shell. (Defaulted to no so people who don't care enough to change extra options won't force people to endure the game mentioned above).
om's computer is on crack :lol:
its not like you cant make all the gameprefs values insanely low or just make a hotkey that adjusts graphics automatically. but, if your too lazy to do such a thing then nothing can prevent it (yes, i do think it is annoying, but the workaround is simple so i dont really care...)
My computer is a 2.4ghz AMD with a gig of ram and an old 9700 pro, I have VSync turned off so it is not limited to the refresh rate, and in BZ2 at full quality I never see myself with less then 800fps, with shadows and fog and such off I average 1500 at start of map and drop to about 1100 in heavy battles. I even have screenshots in the 1.3 patch private area that have the fps counter on it, should I link to a pic to show?
I wish my fps were that high. My specs are sim ilar to yours. 2.2 GHz AMD XP 2400 (64), 1.5 GB ram, ATI 9600 SE. I don't have VSYNC disabled.
Well turn off VSync, you can force it off using the ATI Control Panel.
actually Over, after I posted that I recalled my days in 1.3 private beta and recall the counter...But my thought is that counter is not accuracte to decimal places..I mean..I think there should be a decimal place in there and your counter may be actually reading 150-110 FPS.
I'm not positive, but go ahead and ask nathan or Ken, If they say it REALLY is 1500 FPS I'll say "Condgradulations...you got 1 fast ass computer"
But I have never seen frames like that in any game..but I could be wrong.
And yes, APC the OPTION is whats best. But if I go and try to explain all the origins and implimentaions of the mandatory auto graphic adjustment, people will just say I'm being 1.3 negative, so I'll just leave it alone.. But well (insert little shrug motion here).
No, FRAPS reports the same thing, give or take 30. I have to actually reduce the quality far enough to get upwards of 1800fps before I can record with fraps at 60... Shows you the overhead FRAPS has, heh...
OK...my Kudos to your comp....
a challange to om, whats the fps with ten resin archers shooting a building? (actually shooting, they are too stupid to deploy at a point where they can hit it generally...)
Havn't tried, send me a save-game in the latest 1.3 beta (not public, I don't have that installed) and I'll give it a try.
There is one mod for 1.3 that is not out yet, before a certain weapon's graphics were tuned down, it was on another race's towers, it shot out this acid looking stuff and with about ten of those towers up, all shooting at the same time, even I'll say I got a heavy fps hit.... as in BZ2 was turning down the graphics...
Sorry gold destroyer, didn't mean to start a debate on your topic.
OvermindDL1 is correct that if that game (v1.3PB1) is auto-lowering graphic settings then you do *need* to have your Multi-Player graphics turned down for better on-line play.
The option I was asking about is the choice to use it.
A better solution IMO is to have a SP/IA graphics panel and a on-line graphics panel so you don't have to go back in to the graphics panel and turn back on the things you would have turned off for on-line play - or maybe a MP shell option for different graphic settings.
None - Everything off or lowered to it's lowest setting
Lite - Some features turn on but others still off
Medium - A bump up from lite
Full - Everything on (except the bugging shadow setting)
Auto - Let the game auto correct your graphics
I'd just like to have a choice (if at all possible) in how the game looks as I'm playing it on-line. But knowing that if I choose my settings poorly I'll effect the game not only for myself but for other players.
This feature should definitely stay mandatory as it is.
I often play MPI games with players crawling in the range of 20-30 fps. If I ask them why they have so bad fps and ask how they set their gfx options I often hear "high". The auto adjust saves many games. In strat games the fps drop can be much worse, just figure a 10 APC rush. I got a AMD XP 2500+ and a decent gfx card but 10 APCs drop my frame rate below 15 easily.
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the feature is good for idiots that dont know how to turn it off, for people that do, well they should know what to do...
Fair enough Spawn, but can we really create an idiot-proof on-line game?
Yes I do lower everything in my MP games because I have to based on my current PC's limitations but all I was looking for is some option (other than "gameprefs" editing) to tone it down a bit.
If we all had PC's like OvermindDL1, playing BZ II would be a dream come true for the rest of us.
I've been wanting to step up to a gaming rig like OvermindDL1 but can't justify with Battlezone 1 and 2 being about the only PC games I make time to play and mod for.
So from the post for having the feature a full-time thing out weighing those that prefer a choice (and understand it's consequences) I'd say we should kill this discussion.
Hey, I was stuck with a PoS up till a couple months ago when I finally upgraded after five years, I deserved it by this point. :D