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Title: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 06, 2008, 09:06:24 PM
Large Hadron Collider

(http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Objects/LHC/LHCtunnel1.jpg)

So, they bult this massive machine. But what do you think will happen when they start the first Experement, in 4 days!

Here is the website for information about it....
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html

Will the earth get eaten by a black hole or they find a new way at making scrap and start all this for real?
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Raven on September 06, 2008, 09:39:50 PM
Man this is old stuff.

Been there, done that. 'End of the world' blah blah.

Not to mention I seem to remember them turning it on earlier than this and it did sod all. Or am I dreaming again? Sometime in May/June I believe...
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 06, 2008, 10:00:10 PM
I think they finished building it then... This is when they are starting the experement...
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Axeminister on September 06, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
if atoms are the building blocks of the universe then why are we smashing them into each other. Let's build something with them.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 06, 2008, 10:11:53 PM
They turned it on and it broke due to bad calculations. (something about magnets and collapse and dangerous)
So they also have these calculations that we won't all be killed, but, can we really trust those?
They are getting ready to try turning it on again. Before nothing made it to the collision.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Raven on September 07, 2008, 12:06:48 AM
Ah I see so thats what happened.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 07, 2008, 07:03:05 AM
First of all, for a black hole to exist for more then a few microseconds, it would have to have the mass of Jupiter first, even with just the mass of the sun it would not last more then a few minutes, they need a lot more mass then that, so first of all, no Black Hole.

Atoms are not the building block of our universe, it is not the building block of matter (fermions are), it is not the building block of energy (energy exist at a lower level, heck atoms are made of energy), it is not the building block of anything basic, they are just the building blocks of the elements, nothing more (and even we are more then just elements, we have an electric field for example).

We smash atoms together to get the base constituents to break apart for a short time so we can read how they react in the chamber, the quantom spin (up/down/strange/etc...), the type, the weight, etc...

The main advertised reason (though by far not the only reason) the new collider was built was to find the 'elusive' Higgs-Boson particle.  The Higgs-Boson is a type of boson (obviously, for note, a fermion is a wave function that cannot exist at the same place as other fermion style wave functions, energy is passed between them to cause them to be knocked-back or pass through the other fermion, they are what gives matter its solidarity, light for example, where-as bosons are wave functions that can combine, exist at the same place at the same time, usually becoming stronger, like light, light is a boson and hence an infinite number of photons can exist at the same point in space at the same time, it has been shown that when fermions lose enough energy, get cold enough in other words, that change states to act like bosons, creating a bose-einstein condensate) that is thought to give matter its mass.  The Higgs-Boson is the most massive of all subparticles (all of the other subparticles have no mass actually, just energy, whereas the Higgs-Boson is mostly mass, with no real energy), it gives mass to all other types of (sub)particles.  The Standard Model predictes a number of subparticles, and so far all of them have been found except for the Higgs-Boson, because it is so massive it is very difficult to break down like the others can, it 'sticks' well, so this new collider should be able to impart enough energy onto it to break it apart so they can properly measure it (thus far the Standard model states it will be 115 and 180 GeV/c2, but they need to know its 'exact' mass to be able to determine many other things about the universe and how it works).
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: TheJamsh on September 07, 2008, 08:54:47 AM
a genius in programming and now physics :P
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 07, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
I've taken a Quantum Physics class in college, stuff like that was drilled well into us, along with lots of other stuff.  Quite a fun class actually, probably my most enjoyable one there.
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: TheJamsh on September 07, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
i enjoyed the more 'taxing' subjects as opposed to the so called 'fun' ones. (like art, where i would sit there and draw a stick man and it would be a work of art!)

Electronics was amazing, Physics was interesting, Chemistry involved explosions teehee. heck even Maths gives you a great feeling when you understand exactly how to do what youre doing.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 07, 2008, 07:28:11 PM
Ahhhh Maths (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=drE5cHe6c3s)...
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: VSMIT on September 08, 2008, 05:56:35 AM
I'm going to regret showing that to you, aren't I?

VSMIT.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Red Devil on September 08, 2008, 07:13:40 PM
Another pronunciation is, "Large Hadean Collider"
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 08, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Feared_1 on September 09, 2008, 03:54:27 AM
Quote from: Red Devil on September 08, 2008, 07:13:40 PM
Another pronunciation is, "Large Hadean Collider"

That's what I keep seeing when I read this topic. :)
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: VSMIT on September 09, 2008, 11:31:56 PM
More from the collider!

(http://kuvaton.com/bhoot/1220360595652.jpg)
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Red Devil on September 10, 2008, 12:01:12 AM
heh :-)
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 12:10:18 AM
Wow, he recently called a radio station (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKV4Ij8LtU) you know:
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Steeveeo on September 10, 2008, 05:53:06 AM
N1, thats not recently anymore, that happened almost 8 months ago IIRC.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: anomaly on September 10, 2008, 05:54:38 AM
For anyone still unsure:

hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com)
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 06:45:02 AM
Lol.

But it isn't going to be turned on for another hour.  :roll:
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 07:53:43 AM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324950-23109,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324950-23109,00.html)

And they're off!!

Curiously we are still alive.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 10, 2008, 10:07:13 AM
I guess the particalse missed eachother... hehe......

Better try again.... Them scientists allways wanting to take over the world or blow it up...
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 10:32:21 AM
It's the damn millenium bug all over again.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 02:12:25 PM
 :-P

Well, that Y2K thing really pissed me off. It made everyone stupid.

The millennium was 2001, not 2000, 2000 was the "OMG everything is ganna blow up" party, but they forgot somewhere along the way and called it the new millennium.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 10, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
This is too much of a tease.... Will the world end or not... Grrr,

So far they have not smashed the protons together due to a malfuction with the second beam that goes the oposite direction, without the second beam there is no colision so nothing important has happened yet.



Associated Press: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLf6Yc4gdNY

Sooo, Play as much Battlezone as you can before you are all sucked into the back hole MOHAHAHAHAHA
Shane
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
I think I heard said black hole would be undetectable and would take about 500 or so years to have an effect and maybe a millennia before it has enough mass to actually rapidly destroy the planet.

EDIT:
Fixed non-Freudian slip.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Steeveeo on September 10, 2008, 08:29:02 PM
Quote from: shane ward on September 10, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
Sooo, Play as much Battlezone as you can before you are all sucked into the back hole MOHAHAHAHAHA
Shane
The...BACK hole?....Something about that just sounds wrong...

This thread has the epic chance of a slight freudian typo killing it all.

Large Hardon Collider
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: mrtwosheds on September 10, 2008, 08:40:53 PM
QuoteI think I heard said black hole would be undetectable
That is one of their prime attributes and the main reason that we actually know so little about them. Personally I have big doubts about currently accepted theory's as to their true nature.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 08:50:56 PM
I like the electric universe model, where the sun transmits energy beamed to it.

Not sure what a black hole is in that.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 10, 2008, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
I think I heard said black hole would be undetectable and would take about 500 or so years to have an effect and maybe a millennia before it has enough mass to actually rapidly destroy the planet.
As stated before, any black hole with even the mass of the earth would only exist for a micro-second, even with the mass of the sun it would only exist for a few minutes.  Second, if they were capable of creating mini black holes in that thing then we would be bombarded by mini black holes all the time as the particles that hit our atmosphere would be spawning them all the time.

Do not forget though, we are circling a black hole right now.  The center of our galaxy (and thought to be the center of most massive galaxies as well) has been proven to be a super-massive black hole.  We are beyond the wake though, being on one of the outer arms that is, so we would not get sucked in, in however many billions of years, instead we will fly out of the galaxy.
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
Remember that yesterday was only a completely harmless one-way test run, they didn't actually collide anything yet.

I think that is scheduled for late October. So we have just over a month to smuggle a nuke into Switzerland and blow this baby to ashes before it kills the lot of us. (Assuming OM is wrong and the thing will actually create a huge black-hole).

Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?

It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: anomaly on September 11, 2008, 01:54:07 AM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?

It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.

I'd probably be dead before then anyways.  I don't want to wait that long.

For science!

Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Feared_1 on September 11, 2008, 03:37:08 AM
Particles are constantly smashing into eachother in nature. This thing is safe, we're all safe.

Have a look:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080910-collider-success.html
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: CivBase on September 11, 2008, 05:29:22 PM
I'm religious, and because "no man shall know the end of the earth," so long as people keep predicting it's end, I feel safe
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: mrtwosheds on September 11, 2008, 07:06:48 PM
QuoteI think that is scheduled for late October. So we have just over a month to smuggle a nuke into Switzerland and blow this baby to ashes before it kills the lot of us. (Assuming OM is wrong and the thing will actually create a huge black-hole).

Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?

It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.

Probably because they are aware that there is no risk at all of this happening.
There have been quite a few theory's about "black holes" since they were first observed, many of them are just total fantasy, I do wish we could loose the "hole" part of the name it is very misleading.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: VSMIT on September 11, 2008, 07:08:40 PM
Yeah, it's not much of a hole, more of a well.

VSMIT.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: mrtwosheds on September 11, 2008, 07:37:25 PM
Far more likely to be extremely solid.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Warfreak on September 12, 2008, 02:08:00 AM
They hope to find out about anti-matter and dark matter with an atom smasher / atom collider? Someone care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 12, 2008, 02:31:46 AM
I used to think they were breaking protons apart, then I though what they are doing is smashing them together so they can become energy and form into a new particle.


EDIT:
Changed fact like 2nd statement that was wrong.
Turns out it was the first.
OPS.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 12, 2008, 02:49:55 AM
...And hoping that this new particle won't melt the whole universe.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 12, 2008, 03:32:08 AM
Not form into a new particle, they are smashing protons and other things to break them apart to release the particles that make up those bigger particles like protons.

And no, they will not 'melt the universe' according to any known established theory.  But thinking along those lines, enjoy this story (http://qntm.org/?particles).
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 12, 2008, 04:49:23 AM
Lol!! .. .. what can I say..??

Whoops.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: BS-er on September 27, 2008, 01:41:41 AM
Quote from: OvermindDL1 on September 10, 2008, 10:44:36 PM
Do not forget though, we are circling a black hole right now.  The center of our galaxy (and thought to be the center of most massive galaxies as well) has been proven to be a super-massive black hole.  We are beyond the wake though, being on one of the outer arms that is, so we would not get sucked in, in however many billions of years, instead we will fly out of the galaxy.

Well the Andomeda galaxy is headed or way, with an even bigger supermassive black hole.  We stand a chance of being flung toward the center of our galaxy when our galaxies merge.  Wouldn't that be fun ;).
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 27, 2008, 02:48:37 AM
WEEEEEEE!!!
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 27, 2008, 08:35:41 AM
I thought the Milky Way's black hole was bigger then Andromoda's, might have been the other way, do not really remember.  I do remember that these two are the largest of our local cluster though...
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: TheJamsh on September 27, 2008, 09:42:38 AM
The point is, by the time that happens, the human race will have blown itself apart anyway, so we'll be fine lol.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 27, 2008, 11:03:28 AM
I think that will happen long before our galaxies collide.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 27, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
(Let's see who gets this TV show reference) Earth is just a standard type 13 planet that will probably just annihilate itself upon the discovery of the weight of the higgs-boson particle. :P

Seriously though, if humanity does not kill itself, then it will probably end up going in some way as it does in Isaac Asimov's short story The last Question (http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html) I would think...
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: bigbadbogie on September 27, 2008, 11:42:09 AM
We are likely going to have a huge outbreak of a seemingly unstoppable disease, which will wipe out most of Asia and Europe, leaving Africa, America and Australia virtually untouched.
Then we will start building huge space stations in orbit which can house hundreds of thousands as they build ships capable of travelling to resource rich planets using what is left of Earth's resources.
Abandoning Earth completely to a new age of barbarism and terror, a fleet of ships will embark on a journey to a potentially life supporting planet 20 lightyears away.
After hundreds of years, the ships will arrive only to find that it was a barren icy world, incapable of supporting life.
What is left of the humans on board will all return to their hibernation pods and wait another 500 years for the ships to arrive at another potentially habitable planet.
Either it will be, and the story of Earth starts all over again, or it wont be and the journey continues.
Meanwhile back at Earth, the inhabitants have now regressed to a new age of mythology, thinking that an ancient calculator is a gift from the gods.

I think I took too many vitamins this morning....
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Red Devil on September 27, 2008, 06:05:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SndbB8hA0UQ
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: shane ward on September 27, 2008, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: OvermindDL1 on September 27, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
(Let's see who gets this TV show reference) Earth is just a standard type 13 planet that will probably just annihilate itself upon the discovery of the weight of the higgs-boson particle. :P

Seriously though, if humanity does not kill itself, then it will probably end up going in some way as it does in Isaac Asimov's short story

I's from a tv show THE LEXX, (Very good too, Pitty the canceled it....) Series 4 about earth.

Also, they have closed the project down untill next year, seems there is a coolent leake wich will take a while to fix.... This just makes to trust the bodgy scienists..... grrrrrr

Shane
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 28, 2008, 12:30:45 AM
I remember last time you made that reference OM.
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: General BlackDragon on September 28, 2008, 01:56:49 AM
reminds me of the large magnetic acceleration thingy in Terminator 3
Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: OvermindDL1 on September 28, 2008, 02:18:41 AM
Yep, Lexx is right, such an oddball show that I do not actually expect many people to know it. :P

And it is taking so long because they have to heat up a section over a few weeks, repair, then re-cool it down over a few weeks.  A part of it was not strong enough and needs to be enhanced.
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Title: Re: Large Hadron Collider, In france
Post by: Nielk1 on September 28, 2008, 02:26:20 AM
Never saw it cause of the phallic looking ship and lewd commercials.