Large Hadron Collider(http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Objects/LHC/LHCtunnel1.jpg)
So, they bult this massive machine. But what do you think will happen when they start the first Experement, in 4 days!
Here is the website for information about it....
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html
Will the earth get eaten by a black hole or they find a new way at making scrap and start all this for real?
Man this is old stuff.
Been there, done that. 'End of the world' blah blah.
Not to mention I seem to remember them turning it on earlier than this and it did sod all. Or am I dreaming again? Sometime in May/June I believe...
I think they finished building it then... This is when they are starting the experement...
if atoms are the building blocks of the universe then why are we smashing them into each other. Let's build something with them.
They turned it on and it broke due to bad calculations. (something about magnets and collapse and dangerous)
So they also have these calculations that we won't all be killed, but, can we really trust those?
They are getting ready to try turning it on again. Before nothing made it to the collision.
Ah I see so thats what happened.
First of all, for a black hole to exist for more then a few microseconds, it would have to have the mass of Jupiter first, even with just the mass of the sun it would not last more then a few minutes, they need a lot more mass then that, so first of all, no Black Hole.
Atoms are not the building block of our universe, it is not the building block of matter (fermions are), it is not the building block of energy (energy exist at a lower level, heck atoms are made of energy), it is not the building block of anything basic, they are just the building blocks of the elements, nothing more (and even we are more then just elements, we have an electric field for example).
We smash atoms together to get the base constituents to break apart for a short time so we can read how they react in the chamber, the quantom spin (up/down/strange/etc...), the type, the weight, etc...
The main advertised reason (though by far not the only reason) the new collider was built was to find the 'elusive' Higgs-Boson particle. The Higgs-Boson is a type of boson (obviously, for note, a fermion is a wave function that cannot exist at the same place as other fermion style wave functions, energy is passed between them to cause them to be knocked-back or pass through the other fermion, they are what gives matter its solidarity, light for example, where-as bosons are wave functions that can combine, exist at the same place at the same time, usually becoming stronger, like light, light is a boson and hence an infinite number of photons can exist at the same point in space at the same time, it has been shown that when fermions lose enough energy, get cold enough in other words, that change states to act like bosons, creating a bose-einstein condensate) that is thought to give matter its mass. The Higgs-Boson is the most massive of all subparticles (all of the other subparticles have no mass actually, just energy, whereas the Higgs-Boson is mostly mass, with no real energy), it gives mass to all other types of (sub)particles. The Standard Model predictes a number of subparticles, and so far all of them have been found except for the Higgs-Boson, because it is so massive it is very difficult to break down like the others can, it 'sticks' well, so this new collider should be able to impart enough energy onto it to break it apart so they can properly measure it (thus far the Standard model states it will be 115 and 180 GeV/c2, but they need to know its 'exact' mass to be able to determine many other things about the universe and how it works).
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a genius in programming and now physics :P
I've taken a Quantum Physics class in college, stuff like that was drilled well into us, along with lots of other stuff. Quite a fun class actually, probably my most enjoyable one there.
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i enjoyed the more 'taxing' subjects as opposed to the so called 'fun' ones. (like art, where i would sit there and draw a stick man and it would be a work of art!)
Electronics was amazing, Physics was interesting, Chemistry involved explosions teehee. heck even Maths gives you a great feeling when you understand exactly how to do what youre doing.
Ahhhh Maths (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=drE5cHe6c3s)...
I'm going to regret showing that to you, aren't I?
VSMIT.
Another pronunciation is, "Large Hadean Collider"
LOL
Quote from: Red Devil on September 08, 2008, 07:13:40 PM
Another pronunciation is, "Large Hadean Collider"
That's what I keep seeing when I read this topic. :)
More from the collider!
(http://kuvaton.com/bhoot/1220360595652.jpg)
heh :-)
Wow, he recently called a radio station (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKV4Ij8LtU) you know:
N1, thats not recently anymore, that happened almost 8 months ago IIRC.
For anyone still unsure:
hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com)
Lol.
But it isn't going to be turned on for another hour. :roll:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324950-23109,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324950-23109,00.html)
And they're off!!
Curiously we are still alive.
I guess the particalse missed eachother... hehe......
Better try again.... Them scientists allways wanting to take over the world or blow it up...
It's the damn millenium bug all over again.
:-P
Well, that Y2K thing really pissed me off. It made everyone stupid.
The millennium was 2001, not 2000, 2000 was the "OMG everything is ganna blow up" party, but they forgot somewhere along the way and called it the new millennium.
This is too much of a tease.... Will the world end or not... Grrr,
So far they have not smashed the protons together due to a malfuction with the second beam that goes the oposite direction, without the second beam there is no colision so nothing important has happened yet.
Associated Press: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLf6Yc4gdNY
Sooo, Play as much Battlezone as you can before you are all sucked into the back hole MOHAHAHAHAHA
Shane
I think I heard said black hole would be undetectable and would take about 500 or so years to have an effect and maybe a millennia before it has enough mass to actually rapidly destroy the planet.
EDIT:
Fixed non-Freudian slip.
Quote from: shane ward on September 10, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
Sooo, Play as much Battlezone as you can before you are all sucked into the back hole MOHAHAHAHAHA
Shane
The...BACK hole?....Something about that just sounds wrong...
This thread has the epic chance of a slight freudian typo killing it all.
Large Hardon Collider
QuoteI think I heard said black hole would be undetectable
That is one of their prime attributes and the main reason that we actually know so little about them. Personally I have big doubts about currently accepted theory's as to their true nature.
I like the electric universe model, where the sun transmits energy beamed to it.
Not sure what a black hole is in that.
Quote from: Nielk1 on September 10, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
I think I heard said black hole would be undetectable and would take about 500 or so years to have an effect and maybe a millennia before it has enough mass to actually rapidly destroy the planet.
As stated before, any black hole with even the mass of the earth would only exist for a micro-second, even with the mass of the sun it would only exist for a few minutes. Second, if they were capable of creating mini black holes in that thing then we would be bombarded by mini black holes all the time as the particles that hit our atmosphere would be spawning them all the time.
Do not forget though, we are circling a black hole right now. The center of our galaxy (and thought to be the center of most massive galaxies as well) has been proven to be a super-massive black hole. We are beyond the wake though, being on one of the outer arms that is, so we would not get sucked in, in however many billions of years, instead we will fly out of the galaxy.
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Remember that yesterday was only a completely harmless one-way test run, they didn't actually collide anything yet.
I think that is scheduled for late October. So we have just over a month to smuggle a nuke into Switzerland and blow this baby to ashes before it kills the lot of us. (Assuming OM is wrong and the thing will actually create a huge black-hole).
Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?
It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.
Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 10, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?
It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.
I'd probably be dead before then anyways. I don't want to wait that long.
For science!
Particles are constantly smashing into eachother in nature. This thing is safe, we're all safe.
Have a look:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080910-collider-success.html
I'm religious, and because "no man shall know the end of the earth," so long as people keep predicting it's end, I feel safe
QuoteI think that is scheduled for late October. So we have just over a month to smuggle a nuke into Switzerland and blow this baby to ashes before it kills the lot of us. (Assuming OM is wrong and the thing will actually create a huge black-hole).
Why couldn't they have waited 100 years and done it outside our solar system for gods sake?
It is very irresponsible to risk the entire planet just to recreate some tiny ancient particles.
Probably because they are aware that there is no risk at all of this happening.
There have been quite a few theory's about "black holes" since they were first observed, many of them are just total fantasy, I do wish we could loose the "hole" part of the name it is very misleading.
Yeah, it's not much of a hole, more of a well.
VSMIT.
Far more likely to be extremely solid.
They hope to find out about anti-matter and dark matter with an atom smasher / atom collider? Someone care to elaborate?
I used to think they were breaking protons apart, then I though what they are doing is smashing them together so they can become energy and form into a new particle.
EDIT:
Changed fact like 2nd statement that was wrong.
Turns out it was the first.
OPS.
...And hoping that this new particle won't melt the whole universe.
Not form into a new particle, they are smashing protons and other things to break them apart to release the particles that make up those bigger particles like protons.
And no, they will not 'melt the universe' according to any known established theory. But thinking along those lines, enjoy this story (http://qntm.org/?particles).
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Lol!! .. .. what can I say..??
Whoops.
Quote from: OvermindDL1 on September 10, 2008, 10:44:36 PM
Do not forget though, we are circling a black hole right now. The center of our galaxy (and thought to be the center of most massive galaxies as well) has been proven to be a super-massive black hole. We are beyond the wake though, being on one of the outer arms that is, so we would not get sucked in, in however many billions of years, instead we will fly out of the galaxy.
Well the Andomeda galaxy is headed or way, with an even bigger supermassive black hole. We stand a chance of being flung toward the center of our galaxy when our galaxies merge. Wouldn't that be fun ;).
WEEEEEEE!!!
I thought the Milky Way's black hole was bigger then Andromoda's, might have been the other way, do not really remember. I do remember that these two are the largest of our local cluster though...
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The point is, by the time that happens, the human race will have blown itself apart anyway, so we'll be fine lol.
I think that will happen long before our galaxies collide.
(Let's see who gets this TV show reference) Earth is just a standard type 13 planet that will probably just annihilate itself upon the discovery of the weight of the higgs-boson particle. :P
Seriously though, if humanity does not kill itself, then it will probably end up going in some way as it does in Isaac Asimov's short story The last Question (http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html) I would think...
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We are likely going to have a huge outbreak of a seemingly unstoppable disease, which will wipe out most of Asia and Europe, leaving Africa, America and Australia virtually untouched.
Then we will start building huge space stations in orbit which can house hundreds of thousands as they build ships capable of travelling to resource rich planets using what is left of Earth's resources.
Abandoning Earth completely to a new age of barbarism and terror, a fleet of ships will embark on a journey to a potentially life supporting planet 20 lightyears away.
After hundreds of years, the ships will arrive only to find that it was a barren icy world, incapable of supporting life.
What is left of the humans on board will all return to their hibernation pods and wait another 500 years for the ships to arrive at another potentially habitable planet.
Either it will be, and the story of Earth starts all over again, or it wont be and the journey continues.
Meanwhile back at Earth, the inhabitants have now regressed to a new age of mythology, thinking that an ancient calculator is a gift from the gods.
I think I took too many vitamins this morning....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SndbB8hA0UQ
Quote from: OvermindDL1 on September 27, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
(Let's see who gets this TV show reference) Earth is just a standard type 13 planet that will probably just annihilate itself upon the discovery of the weight of the higgs-boson particle. :P
Seriously though, if humanity does not kill itself, then it will probably end up going in some way as it does in Isaac Asimov's short story
I's from a tv show THE LEXX, (Very good too, Pitty the canceled it....) Series 4 about earth.
Also, they have closed the project down untill next year, seems there is a coolent leake wich will take a while to fix.... This just makes to trust the bodgy scienists..... grrrrrr
Shane
I remember last time you made that reference OM.
reminds me of the large magnetic acceleration thingy in Terminator 3
Yep, Lexx is right, such an oddball show that I do not actually expect many people to know it. :P
And it is taking so long because they have to heat up a section over a few weeks, repair, then re-cool it down over a few weeks. A part of it was not strong enough and needs to be enhanced.
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Never saw it cause of the phallic looking ship and lewd commercials.