in the gameprefs.ini file i found this on line 869 so if every1 del this line then sean can play agian :)
"//BanIP1 = "68.3.228.114/24" // Sean/SeanTheGreat, who seems to be trying to cause lag in games"
thats a really mean thing to do whoever did that, i hope ur ashamed of ur self
Question is, do we want you to play?
thats not me
i can play
that is sean the great
No, Sean can play even with that line there.
The two // means the line is ignored. If you remove those slashes, Sean will be banned.
It was from an old argument between GH and Sean, where GH accused Sean of admitting to purposefully lagging games. Whether GH misunderstood or not, other players have had trouble with Sean over the years.
However, Sean has appeared to have calmed down a bit since then, albeit still a bit of a pain at times, but nothing compared to what it was.
Just own him a few times to show who's boss.
How is it possible to purposely create lag? Tabbing doesn't work in 1.3.
Quote from: Feared_1 on December 17, 2008, 04:39:25 AM
Just own him a few times to show who's boss.
How is it possible to purposely create lag? Tabbing doesn't work in 1.3.
Pre-PB4a, also editing some internet settings and whatnot.
Sean admitted to intentionally causing lag in XBox Live games which GreenHeart interpreted as him admitting to intentionally lagging out games that GreenHeart hosted. I think he said he used programs to induce the lag. This probably is no coincidence, but Sean did lag a lot in the GreenHeart session that I joined. If he wasn't using those programs to induce lag, it was a funny coincidence.
I was in the chatroom when Sean admitted to lagging out Xbox Live games.
Way to put the spotlight back on him Data. I don't think Sean enjoys the negative attention.
IM TRYING TO DEFEND HIM notice how i pointed out that it was a mean thing to do, i just thought that line of code doesnt let him play
I don't think any developer would risk singling out an individual from the community. I've always given Sean the benefit of the doubt anyway.
And besides, you should have asked if the line meant he was banned before telling people to be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: Feared_1 on December 17, 2008, 04:39:25 AM
Just own him a few times to show who's boss.
How is it possible to purposely create lag? Tabbing doesn't work in 1.3.
EDIT (Feared_1): Removed. Careful Ac/Dc...
what did he say ?
why should he be ashamed anyway? he made the freakin patch...
Sean can still play. personally, i have him banned, but only because he destroyed my Multi game when i refused to give him my assets for an old recycler variant i was making. I think everyone has suffered annoyance from him... in fact i ended up getting PM abuse over at BZ2MD for mentioning this and starting a flame about him.
I think maybe this topic should be closed to avoid any further member-carnage...
He was either having problems or was trying to ruin the game. My next question why was he hanging around the recycler for most of the time i was hosting without actually really don't anything except causing lag or repeatedly joining? I mean i was hosting multiple mpi games for 6 hours & Sean was present 75-85% of the time.
He admitted to cheating in other games infront of afew people on irc & from what i seen in the games i've been hosting he was doing just that to trying to ruin the game for other players. that line his ip is one was commented out at the same time his ip was added so those that wanted to prevent sean from joining their hosted session they have that option.
Most of the time when he was present he usually stayed near the recycler without even moving as if he was alt-tabbed. I know the difference between someone actually wanting to play & someone that only wants to ruin the game for everyone else. During the games i was hosting it was only sean causing the lag when he was ingame & when he left the session the lag also disappeared.
Point is, his IP was added to the banlist. I think that should be up to the players, rather than putting in a comment which may or may not be accurate.
Quote from: Ac/dc on December 17, 2008, 05:46:52 PM
EDIT (Feared_1): Removed. Careful Ac/Dc...
hehehe someones tryin to hide the truth
Quote from: Ac/dc on December 18, 2008, 04:45:08 AM
hehehe someones tryin to hide the truth
Or an obvious troll.
Alright, next time I wont remove it. We can wait until CmptrWz sees it. Fine by me.
It was uncalled for Ac/dc.
Sean is banned here for stealing another modder's work (luckily what he stole was purposely nonfunctional at the time), who didn't know that?
Ah... me?
Quote from: Feared_1 on December 18, 2008, 05:19:59 AM
Alright, next time I wont remove it. We can wait until CmptrWz sees it. Fine by me.
so um, what id i do again?
Ac/dc look man every likes giggles but try calm down before you do piss of cmptrwz...
NK, when was this and whose work was it? i knew he had a trait for stealing things... maybe i wasnt around at the time.
hes a troublemaker, or at least he was, and it annoyed GSH enough to place that line in there. Hes NOT banned by default, and IP's can change over time anyway. Im sure hell learn to grow up.
Quote from: Nielk1 on December 18, 2008, 05:36:28 AM
It was uncalled for Ac/dc.
Sean is banned here for stealing another modder's work (luckily what he stole was purposely nonfunctional at the time), who didn't know that?
Afew years ago Sean received afew tempory bans in hopes that he would learn to behave on the forums. Later he received more permanent ban after the tempory bans were lifted for flamming &\or attacking someone on the forum. Sean did attempt to steal a nonfuntional model & was forced to publicly admit the truth under the post that he claimed to be the creator. Sean wasn't ever banned for stealing it. Sean was permanently banned for flamming &\or attacking somone on the forum.
SkyNET, Sean's IP was added to the list to give hosts a warning about Sean. After all, Sean admitted to intentionally lagging out games while both I and GreenHeart were in the chatroom. His IP address was intentionally commented out hence the //, to warnin hosts that Sean is potentially a destructive player. I would expect the same treatment for anyone else that intentionally lags out games just to have some fun at the expense of everyone else.
Well I hope you don't consider banning me for lagging out games just to have fun :).
There is a big difference between having a crappy connection that causes lag and having a good connection while using programs to intentionally cause lag.
Intentionally lagging a game should be a bannable offense. Having a crappy ISP shouldn't.
Squirrel your connection isn't half as bad as Sean's connection was that night & all he was basicly doing was sitting next to the recycler the entire time. I was commanding most of the games so i was able to watch everything he was doing ingame.
I think I was in the IRC room when Sean said he intentionally lagged people though excessively pinging their IPs and other methods.
http://www.bz2md.com/smf/index.php?topic=2323.0 (http://www.bz2md.com/smf/index.php?topic=2323.0)
I don't know why he would leave the community and discontinue his mod just because of talk. Everyone is human. Talk is cheap. He could just ignore that kind of stuff.
:( i wanted to see the mod :'( and that is a bit extreme
Quote from: Axeminister on December 23, 2008, 11:30:33 PM
I don't know why he would leave the community and discontinue his mod just because of talk. Everyone is human. Talk is cheap. He could just ignore that kind of stuff.
Its probably because of the CONSTANT talk. Somehow this little issue keeps popping back up in thread after thread, even though the issue happened quite a long time ago (a year at the very least by my reckoning).
He does have a point in that thread, however. I, for one, have never seen a chatlog of this so-called confession. Although, I did see a link in his sig a while back to a "Glitchers" forum, but it appeared to be for XBox Live and such.
to be honest, i just dont care...
i think this conversation is done...
I was there when someone named Sean the Great admitted to lagging out Xbox Live games. There is no way that occured anywhere near a year ago considering the statement was made after pb4 and before pb4a was released. The comment was made in July of this year.
You are right we don't have any proof that he made the comment considering noone has a chatlog from that session with his IP attached, granted even if we did, a txt file is too easily edited to be reliable. That and anyone can enter the chatroom pretending to be whoever he/she wanted then admit to cheating. I believe this lack of proof is why Sean didn't get an out-right ban. He got a warning along with anyone who reads the changelog.
I saw the comment, GreenHeart saw the comment, and even GSH saw the comment which is why GSH added the IP address to the gameprefs file. GSH wouldn't have added it without seeing the comment himself.
There really is no point in bringing this up anymore. Noone can prove Sean has intentionally lagged any bz2 game.
Quote from: Commando on December 24, 2008, 12:25:25 AM
There really is no point in bringing this up anymore.
Exactly. So can some mod please lock the thread?
BZTron is not his, he is in control because the original author is unable to work on it. I will take over his blessings or not, and will work to contact the original author.
Would that be Spiritplumber?
Why can't he/she work on it?
It would, and sean has deleted the posts of numerous ppl saying they saw him say it in the IRC (like mine).
He tried to say I cant work on BZTron and he will release it for only his friends, but I must say I did about 90% of of the fixes to get it working in 1.3pb4a and offered numerous assets. I will just release my own version at some point, but it will take several months of work to get it presentable.
I do however need the contact info for spirit plumber.
EDIT:
Sean said GH was a liar, but I must say, GH is not who added him as a commented BAN, GSH was, because, he said he lagged BZ2 in front of not only GH and I, but right in front of GSH.
EDIT2:
In addition to saying he alt-tabbed, something imposable in xbox as he claims he was speaking of, but GH has seen him in game sit and do nothing and spike lag on the monitor.
EDIT3:
For when he removes it:
Quote from: nielk1 on December 24, 2008, 01:51:36 AM
Stop throwing a tantrum and grow up. I will contact spirit myself, as that is a sane person who doesn't throw such tantrums.
And considering all the work I did for you on BZTron.
Also, if I release it, it would technically be a different mod with the same name, since it is not in any state of release and is still badly bugged.
I find it unlikely anyone will want to play it with you anyway if you act this way to them.
And I log all IRC conversations, I likely have you dead to rights in there.
GH didn't get GSH to add the ban line, what you said involving alt-tabbing right in front of GSH (there is no alt-tabbing on xbox) and other methods did.
Spiritplumber's profile (http://www.bzuniverse.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1441), includes an email address, her site doesn't exist anymore, though.
VSMIT.
Email sent.
Told he what was going on and asked her, if Sean goes secluded psycho, if I can continue BZTron.
Don't bother with BZTron anymore.
Concentrate on ARC mod mate. If Sean doesn't want it done then it can't really be that important.
Sean removed the topic that I was basically orally obliterating him in and has started another, using it to change what I have said.
Quote from myself in case he removes my post:
Quote from: nielk1 on December 24, 2008, 02:58:54 AM
/me tries to continue conversation with facts and discussion
Is the email she gave at BZU still valid?
I will not delete this, as I have deleted nothing, only you have. This is a testament to your instability.
You deleted what I said in an effort to be able to change it now, but here it is:
Quote from: nielk1 on December 24, 2008, 01:51:36 AM
...
Also, if I release it, it would technically be a different mod with the same name, since it is not in any state of release and is still badly bugged.
I find it unlikely anyone will want to play it with you anyway if you act this way to them.
...
I will contact Spirit plumber and only work on anything with her permissions for her assets, also as I said previously.
New topic:
http://www.bz2md.com/smf/index.php?topic=2324.0
Looks like he just deleted that one too.
http://www.bz2md.com/smf/index.php?topic=2325.msg33165;topicseen#new
Lets see how long this one lasts. :-P
Sigh.
Quote from: post deleted so I cant get the id
Again, anything I do would be from Spirit Plumber's assets with her express permission.
Permissions must be attained from those who posses them, so, I will have to start anything BZTron like from either scratch or her assets (with her permission).
Do note, there are numerous arcade like addons and maps for BZ2 already, non of them are BZTron, and any future ones are also not BZTron, so if you see something in the future with green grid lines, you don't own the patent.
Quote from: MSN
[22:06] sean_the_curious@hotmail.com: You will never have permission to work on bztron because I am working on it. And if you make a new mod like my mod,that will be stealing.
[22:06] *** "sean_the_curious@hotmail.com" signed off at Tue Dec 23 22:06:38 2008.
He again removes anything I have the advantage in and then MSNs me some garbage that a NEW mod is still steeling. He is having one hell of an Ego trip.
Oh btw, as the one to convert BZTRON I know something, there are less than 10 things from Sean actually IN BZTron, most of them just ODF value changes.
EDIT:
New one, trying to smear me: http://www.bz2md.com/smf/index.php?board=55.0
Just a safehouse for when Sean deletes this one, too.
VSMIT.
Quote from: VSMIT on December 24, 2008, 03:17:45 AM
I would like written confirmation of a change of ownership of the mod. It still belongs to spiritplumber. You have no right to tell others what they can or cannot do with her stuff. As long as N1 has her permission to continue, he is able to, whether you like it or not. And learn how not to delete all posts that do not agree with your ideals. You are neither God nor should you have the power to control what others do.
Safehouse to delete:
Quote from: nielk1 on December 24, 2008, 03:14:04 AM
I can have her permission for her assets.
Again:
Learn
to
read.
Quote from: nielk1 on December 24, 2008, 03:17:57 AM
Quote from: .:.RKA.:.SeanTheGreat on December 24, 2008, 03:16:32 AM
How are they HER assets when there mine retard
Did you make them?
Did you MAKE them?
And besides, to do anything with the name or material of TRON, I technically only have to ask Disney, not you.
Sean just insulted us:
QuoteAlso, having fun posting this stuff at the bitches at bzuniverse? HI LOSERS!
He is quite dead the moment that Fishy sees that stuff. All those years of Sean are probably about to end.
I hope so. I thought he was getting more mature. Guess not.
VSMIT.
He just ban-me'd I asked how long and what type of ban and he shut up and hid.
Aaaaaaaaaand we're done. There is no reason to be picking out individuals from a group and throwing rotten eggs at them. You don't need to prove you said something by pasting it here, we all trust each other at BZUniverse, right? :) The topic has turned into more of a "HEHE LOOK WHAT I SAID TO HIM, GIGGLE GIGGLE!" topic than anything else.
As far as BZ2MD, let me just throw in my two cents:
Stop TRYING to piss people off in public, take it to PMing. He is more likely to be a little more mature if he doesn't have an entire community watching him. He's pretty much the only one saying that BZTron is his, so that makes HIM wrong.
Someone can open this back up again if they want to, but I see no reason as it's just a bunch of spam anyway.
Merry Christmas, by the way :)
Hey, look, I opened it back up.
Points:
1 - Sean can't use PMs here OR on BZ2MD. Here because he is banned here. BZ2MD because he was abusing the privilege and so I took it away. Hard to take things to PM with him because of that. Besides, if his actions in PMs were any indication, having an entire community watching him is actually MORE likely to get him to act more mature.
2 - Sean is no longer a moderator on BZ2MD. If I missed someplace he is still a moderator, please let me know.
3 - If Sean does start deleting things again (I can't be arsed to check all the permissions to see if he or anyone else can delete their own posts or topics anywhere) I will now be able to get a complete record of the deleted items.
I didn't mean for this to become a "Look what I said to him". I should have quoted the entire threads he deleted to correctly display my intentions.
I emailed Spirit Plumber right when this started and have the OK to do whatever with BZTron (provided I tell her how it goes and ask for any help if I hit a snag). Since I have the original stand alone I have the pre-sean version (not that Sean did anything, all those 'new' feature videos were already in BZTron when I tried the stand alone, he just did some tile conversions of maps and threw them in IIRC). I am still going to give Sean time to do something as I have other projects to get to.
Sean still has PM abilities on my site, but I did remove him from any group with moderation control anywhere. The only group he is still in on my site is that for HE, which only has the special ability to upload to a specific gallery section.
I never knew CmptrWz owned BZ2MD as well as bzuniverse? i was under the impression it was fishys site. but im wrong obviously...
Second, i agree with him that having the community poking holes might make him grow up a little. I now notice hes stopped his mod because of us apparently. I feel sorry about that, but it wasnt going anywhere anyway, and im now lead to believe it was someone elses work anywhoo, so i dont honestly care about that.
Just because no-one seems to listen to me, Sean tried to steal My assets before, and i decided after that i wouldnt release it. When he found out that, he DELIBERATELY caused lag in my well-established MPI game and shot me and his allies around. It pissed me off as it was my first real time on Multi (only a few months ago actually). That kind of behaviour puts people off coming into the game. Had i not known of the community and have a mod underway myself, i would have probably never used multi after that. I hoot you all not.
He needs to get a grip on reality. The BZU community is small, and therefore not so forgiving of these things i think.
EDIT: Dunno why i posted this as its evident i really dont give a **** about him and 'his' mod. if anyone thinks im trolling just delete it.
Quote from: TheJamsh on December 28, 2008, 01:59:43 PM...in my well-established MPI game and shot me and his allies around.
Hate to break it to ya, but he does this anyway. :P
Quote from: TheJamsh on December 28, 2008, 01:59:43 PM
I never knew CmptrWz owned BZ2MD as well as bzuniverse? i was under the impression it was fishys site. but im wrong obviously...
Actually, it is on Wz's server IIRC, and Wz helped set it up (hence his admin status), but it belongs to and is paid for by Fishbone.
Give credit to all; take it and you'll fall.
Quote from: TheJamsh on December 28, 2008, 01:59:43 PM
I never knew CmptrWz owned BZ2MD as well as bzuniverse? i was under the impression it was fishys site. but im wrong obviously...
I have admin rights for a number of reasons, including but not limited to fixing problems should they come up while Fishbone isn't around.
I considered the situation as it stood a problem. I fixed it.