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Title: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on April 30, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
The swine flu started in Mexico and has begun spreading to America and other countries around the world. The swine flu has been given a "Phase 5" alert, which means a pandemic is more than a possibility.

Quote from: CDCIn response to an intensifying outbreak in the United States and internationally caused by a new influenza virus of swine origin, the World Health Organization raised the worldwide pandemic alert level to Phase 5 on April 29, 2009.
...

From:
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/

Discussion Questions:
Should we be worried? If not, WHEN should we start being worried? What are some things we can do to prevent it from spreading? What should you do if you get it? What factors tell whether Swine Flu is deadly to a person or not?

Swine Flu FAQ from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/27/swine.flu.qanda/?iref=mpstoryview).
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: lastmsg on April 30, 2009, 08:38:43 PM
phase 6 is isolation, all borders are closed, if that's what you mean by your question and it is a pandemic already
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on April 30, 2009, 08:41:53 PM
It is not yet a pandemic from what I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: lastmsg on April 30, 2009, 08:44:27 PM
I thought a pandemic is when it spreads to 2 country's and at least 2 people in one of the regions inside the each of the country's.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: sabrebattletank on April 30, 2009, 08:48:53 PM
http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

It'll never get Madagascar though, so we're safe.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on April 30, 2009, 08:54:27 PM
GOOD GOD!

This thing has a lower kill % than the common flu.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: lastmsg on April 30, 2009, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: Nielk1 on April 30, 2009, 08:54:27 PM
GOOD GOD!

This thing has a lower kill % than the common flu.

Its like 5x worse in Mexico then it is anywhere else. I think the colder it is, the less it will effect that area and the infection will be minor
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Purplehaze on April 30, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
Look, I have to agree with nielk, This thing is harmless, So you get the flu, just because we wern't ready for it doesn't mean crap, And mexico has bad healthcare in some areas, People die all the time from that area, Im not to worried unless it mutates and starts to kill, I am not even worried about it.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: TheJamsh on April 30, 2009, 09:42:19 PM
it already HAS killed PH...
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Warfreak on April 30, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Yes, many Mexicans in areas with poor health conditions to START with (Speaking of Mexico City), and a 24 or so month old with a family living on a farm in Texas.

Besides, if your area has good health AND you are near a hospital (A 30min drive at the least), you should be fine... just head to hospital like you normally would if you come down with the flu.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on April 30, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: TheJamsh on April 30, 2009, 09:42:19 PM
it already HAS killed PH...

1% of infected
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: AHadley on May 01, 2009, 06:57:14 AM
The vast majority of people it's killed so far already had something else - pneumonia, for example.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 01, 2009, 07:17:55 AM
No, it gives them Pneumonia.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Purplehaze on May 01, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
What i ment was if it started to kill those in areas with good healthcare.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on May 01, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on May 01, 2009, 07:17:55 AM
No, it gives them Pneumonia.

In Mexico, you go to a hospital to die more than to be treated, so they would get Pneumonia from lack of treatment. They could get it from the common cold even.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: AHadley on May 01, 2009, 04:06:05 PM
Basically, Mexico is not a very nice place to be if you want a hospital to keep you alive.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on May 03, 2009, 03:48:27 AM
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/02/siegel_swine_flu_h1n1/
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: sabrebattletank on May 03, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
http://doihaveswineflu.org/
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: mrtwosheds on May 04, 2009, 12:39:22 AM
They assure us you cannot catch it from eating pork. But pigs do catch it. In order to avoid catching it from people we are told to wash our hands...So how is it that Pork is safe? Do all the pigs scrub up nice and clean before they go to the slaughter house? What protects the cook from catching it from uncooked meat?
I sense a little lie here, I suspect commercial interests are being protected at any cost.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 01:00:58 AM
Because people aren't getting swine flu... they are getting a new form of influenza which is a combination of swine flu, bird flu and human flu genes.

I don't know why it is still known as swine flu. It should be known as Influenza A.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: squirrelof09 on May 04, 2009, 01:50:52 AM
It's going to go through as many name changes as the US war has gone through already.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on May 04, 2009, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: mrtwosheds on May 04, 2009, 12:39:22 AM
They assure us you cannot catch it from eating pork. But pigs do catch it. In order to avoid catching it from people we are told to wash our hands...So how is it that Pork is safe? Do all the pigs scrub up nice and clean before they go to the slaughter house? What protects the cook from catching it from uncooked meat?
I sense a little lie here, I suspect commercial interests are being protected at any cost.

The virus is killed at 160 degrees (Fahrenheit). Unless you assume that's a lie too...
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: sabrebattletank on May 04, 2009, 02:57:26 AM
Quote from: Feared_1 on May 04, 2009, 02:51:56 AM
The virus is killed at 160 degrees (Fahrenheit). Unless you assume that's a lie too...

Can a non-living entity really be "killed?"

Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 03:02:32 AM
Quote from: Feared_1 on May 04, 2009, 02:51:56 AM
The virus is killed at 160 degrees (Fahrenheit). Unless you assume that's a lie too...

So anyone who takes a hot bath is cured?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on May 04, 2009, 03:04:54 AM
Anyone who cooks their food can avoid it :P

QuoteCooking pork to an internal temperature of 160°F kills the swine flu virus as it does other bacteria and viruses.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on May 04, 2009, 04:01:30 AM
Quote from: mrtwosheds on May 04, 2009, 12:39:22 AM
They assure us you cannot catch it from eating pork. But pigs do catch it. In order to avoid catching it from people we are told to wash our hands...So how is it that Pork is safe? Do all the pigs scrub up nice and clean before they go to the slaughter house? What protects the cook from catching it from uncooked meat?
I sense a little lie here, I suspect commercial interests are being protected at any cost.

If we were to cook a human who had it and then eat them, we would not get it.

Quote from: sabrebattletank on May 04, 2009, 02:57:26 AM
Can a non-living entity really be "killed?"

Because viruses are forms of life. It can be argued that we are viruses by our actions instead of classifying us by our makeup.

Quote from: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 03:02:32 AM
So anyone who takes a hot bath is cured?

Well, try that. See you in the burn ward.

http://www.cqcapd.state.ny.us/newsletter/estime.htm

Adult: If the temperature is 160 degrees Fahrenheit, it would take 1 second [to cause a third degree burn];
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 05:12:46 AM
What if I were to sit in a huge oven on some heatproof object and I am cooked that way?

It would be frikkin hot, but it would kill the virus without causing any burns.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on May 04, 2009, 05:31:56 AM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 05:12:46 AM
What if I were to sit in a huge oven on some heatproof object and I am cooked that way?

It would be frikkin hot, but it would kill the virus without causing any burns.

Hot air burns you, and if you shelled yourself from that hot air you wouldn't get hot.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Steeveeo on May 04, 2009, 05:36:15 AM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 05:12:46 AM
What if I were to sit in a huge oven on some heatproof object and I am cooked that way?

It would be frikkin hot, but it would kill the virus without causing any burns.

^Should learn the 3 types of cooking: Convection, Conduction, and Radiation.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: mrtwosheds on May 04, 2009, 10:30:43 AM
My point was, that pigs are catching the mutated version from humans. So what is there to stop a cook from catching it from uncooked meat?
Nothing. I just see people telling us that we cannot catch it from their products, when they almost certainly have no idea if this is true or not.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: King Gladiator on May 04, 2009, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: sabrebattletank on April 30, 2009, 08:48:53 PM
http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

It'll never get Madagascar though, so we're safe.
Haha i hate Madagascar. after three hours of play and probably twenty tries you might get it infected.

but i think that the swine flu is being over exaggerated by the media, like they always do. Remember a year ago when they were predicting millions upon millions being killed by the avian flu? i looked up the swine flu on the CDC and its symptoms are almost identical as the seasonal influenza.  the only problem is that since its a newer form of the swine flu it lasts a little longer in humans since our resistance isn't built up to the new strain. at least thats what i understand from it.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Feared_1 on May 04, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
The flu is not present in the meat of the pig. If you ate uncooked pig lungs or stomachs then you might get it. Having a virus doesn't make you the virus (unless... (http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050727/flood.jpg)).
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: sabrebattletank on May 04, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Nielk1 on May 04, 2009, 04:01:30 AM
Because viruses are forms of life. It can be argued that we are viruses by our actions instead of classifying us by our makeup.

Because they don't have a metabolism and we do, it can be argued that viruses are not alive.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on May 04, 2009, 11:10:44 PM
Maybe they say that because we do have one that we aren't alive.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 04, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
RD... you are saiko.

Quote from: sabrebattletank on May 04, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
Because they don't have a metabolism and we do, it can be argued that viruses are not alive.

Are trees alive?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: sabrebattletank on May 05, 2009, 12:57:50 AM
Yes. They have a metabolism.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on May 05, 2009, 01:05:19 AM
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-05-04.gif)
nuff said
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 05, 2009, 01:20:25 AM
I couldn't help but go... Awww.

He'll die a virgin from Pneumonia.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: TheJamsh on May 05, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
BBB... i am shocked... still made me chuckle inside
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on May 05, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: TheJamsh on May 05, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
still made me chuckle inside

at the comic or BBB?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: hybirdisdf on May 07, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
Cough Cough Cough You better not read my sentence.You may get swine flu from that! :-D :-D :-D :lol:
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Clavin12 on May 07, 2009, 11:31:22 PM
Whats the difference between a pandemic and an epidemic?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on May 07, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
pandemic, more severe than an epidemic
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: TheJamsh on May 08, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
There was a certified case of swine flu in paignton UK, a place only a couple of hours from my home town.

Epidemic would be over more than one country/continent i think, so now it is am i right?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: AHadley on May 08, 2009, 06:54:51 PM
I think an epidemic is when it strikes seriously but is limited to one of two countries.

Pandemic would be when it hits... five, i think.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on May 08, 2009, 06:57:19 PM
(http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/song-chart-memes-swine-flu.jpg)

Nuff said.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: AHadley on May 08, 2009, 08:22:52 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Steeveeo on May 08, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: cheesepuffly on May 08, 2009, 06:57:19 PM
http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

Nuff said.
Timeline+Facepalm (http://www.bzuniverse.com/forum/index.php/topic,9270.msg141709.html#msg141709)
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on May 08, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
hoot... ok time for something else.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on May 08, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: TheJamsh on May 08, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
There was a certified case of swine flu in paignton UK, a place only a couple of hours from my home town.

Oh come on, you could drive across Britain in less than that. :-P Its tiny... and I think all the people with swine flu in Britain were Australians anyway.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: TheJamsh on May 09, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
lol :lol:
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: King Gladiator on May 09, 2009, 02:35:03 AM
Quote from: cheesepuffly on May 08, 2009, 06:57:19 PM
(http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/song-chart-memes-swine-flu.jpg)

Nuff said.

lol but wouldnt the graph be permanently be at "Im not going to Mexico" besides vacation why would anyone go there? maybe family...maybe...  :-P
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Warfreak on May 09, 2009, 11:10:31 PM
He brings up an interesting arguement. (My folks drive down to Mexico to visit relatives every summer; Even then, they live in the chunk below Cali, "Baja California")
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on June 10, 2009, 07:31:40 AM
My cousin has just tested positive for Swine Flu.

It is also entirely possible that I may have it... and my family.

We all have some kind of bad flu... and we all feel like crap.

The state of Victoria has recently been proclaimed to be the Swine Flu capital of the world... and I just happen to live there.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Nielk1 on June 10, 2009, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on June 10, 2009, 07:31:40 AM
My cousin has just tested positive for Swine Flu.

It is also entirely possible that I may have it... and my family.

We all have some kind of bad flu... and we all feel like crap.

The state of Victoria has recently been proclaimed to be the Swine Flu capital of the world... and I just happen to live there.

Well, though the infection rate is much higher, if you would have survived the normal flu you should survive this. Strange when you consider it contains the dreaded bird flu and is even also called H1N1, its basically just a super infective form of the common flu.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on June 10, 2009, 04:37:58 PM
People who get treated for it with fluids via IV do well.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on June 11, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
Hey, it's official!

"The world is moving into the early days of its first influenza pandemic in the 21st century," Chan told reporters. "The (swine flu) virus is now unstoppable."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_he_me/un_un_swine_flu
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Clavin12 on June 11, 2009, 04:57:45 PM
its stoppable. we just have to boil the earth.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on June 11, 2009, 05:16:04 PM
Its not like AIDS, get treatment and your fine.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on June 11, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Until it mutates... then everybody starts dying.

It might be a good idea to actually contract the virus right now while it is still mildish.

Once you get over it, you will have some extra immune resistance to it.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: VSMIT on June 12, 2009, 12:45:09 AM
Quote from: bigbadbogie on June 11, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Until it mutates... then everybody starts dying.
'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on June 12, 2009, 02:32:49 AM
Unless im wrong, something like the swine flu can mutate to outsmart an antibiotic but it could not mutate to outsmart a human immune system correct?
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: VSMIT on June 12, 2009, 04:31:53 AM
You can't kill a virus with an antibiotic.  And outsmarting the human immune system is what HIV does best.  It mutates quickly enough to stay ahead of the body.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Clavin12 on June 12, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
maybe we should find a way to update the human immune system. Nvm that wouldn't be right. sumthing like jurrassic park might happen.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on June 12, 2009, 01:59:17 PM
That's what vaccines are for.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: TheJamsh on June 12, 2009, 02:30:32 PM
There isnt enough smiting going on.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on June 12, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: Clavin12 on June 12, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
maybe we should find a way to update the human immune system.

Damn, cant think of any computer related jokes for that.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: VSMIT on June 12, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
It's IBM upgrading the customers.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on June 13, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Feels like i have man-bird-pig flu.  Got up at 5:45 AM, bed at 11 PM, awake at 1:30 AM all hot and achy, but have chalked it up to sunburn and muscle strain.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: bigbadbogie on June 13, 2009, 10:53:11 AM
It just feels the same as ordinary flu... nothing more severe so don't worry if you happen to catch it.

Quoteman-bird-pig flu

Lol.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: AHadley on June 13, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Well, Bird Flu (H5N1) was apparently going to be our next pandemic and that blew over. Pretty quickly too, no recorded human deaths. Swine Flu (H1N1) seems to be little different to me, though there are a few deaths (a miniscule amount when compared to how long it's been around) these people were just unlucky, it will soon pass over despite its 'pandemic' status.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on June 13, 2009, 06:48:33 PM
I really cant believe its a pandemic, its unfrigginbelievable.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: GSH on June 14, 2009, 04:49:02 PM
A pandemic just means it's spreading like wildfire. Doesn't mean it's dangerous. Ebola is super-infectious, but it kills people before it can spread too far. Other things spread, but don't kill the host.

The main thing to watch out for is that in previous big pandemics, there was a low-strength virus spreading in the spring. Then it mutated, and was really dangerous in the fall.

-- GSH
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Mr X on June 14, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
All pandemic means is that there are a significant number of cases in a signisicant number of countries, doesn't mean its doing much to the infected in most cases.
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: mrtwosheds on June 14, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Were at it again! baby pigman! cute?
(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/1389014.jpg)
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: Red Devil on June 14, 2009, 10:22:41 PM
That's either the best piece of Photshoppin' i've ever seen - or mom needs to keep the guys out of the pigpen...
Title: Re: Swine Flu: A pandemic?
Post by: cheesepuffly on June 15, 2009, 12:17:53 AM
KIIIIIIL IT WITH FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!