Well, I'll be more precise. It's obviously working, as I can type it. I did so in the subject line of this thread. However, it DOES NOT work in BZII (I've tried in stock 1.2 and in FE). This means that I cannot:
- Open the console.
- Recycle any units.
- Select specific units from a squad.
I have not experienced this on my old Win98 computer that is long since unplugged, nor on a relative's WinXP machine (nor on this same machine back when it had WinME on it). The key works normally in
every other program. Please help!
What OS are you running? 1.3ta5's readme13.rtf (installed w/ the patch), links to http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_console_commands#Other_bugs (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_console_commands#Other_bugs) , as BZ2 is not the only program hurt by keyboard-stealing apps.
-- GSH
I'm running Vista Home Premium (32 bit). The bug described there seems very likely the cause, and I'll test its advice and edit this post when the results are in.
EDIT: The key works now! Thank you so much! :-)
Don't forget to applaud him!
like he needs it :P...
UPDATE: It works to open the console, which was what I tested. Since the console opened, I assumed that it works for the rest of the things. It doesn't. I can open the console, but I can't tell things to recycle and I can't select specific units from a squad.
Check out the end of Gameprefs.ini. In order to change things, you have to copy entries to Localprefs.ini.
Ooh interesting. I managed to fix the ~ key problem with all versions of BZ2 on my vista laptop.
I tried using the guide found here
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_console_commands#Other_bugs
Which pointed out the faulty driver, but when I uninstalled the driver it would reinstall -- and give me no option to disable. Some digging through my google searches eventually led me to a more permanent fix (http://forums.windower.net/index.php?showtopic=14256)
this problem is fixed by installing newkeys, i had the same problem.
here is where u can download newkeys92700:
http://www.bz2maps.com/files.html
read the instructions because i think u have to move a file manualy
Quote from: VoodooChile on June 09, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
this problem is fixed by installing newkeys, i had the same problem.
here is where u can download newkeys92700:
http://www.bz2maps.com/files.html
read the instructions because i think u have to move a file manualy
I do not know if new keys should be used on 1.3
Quote from: Red Devil on June 09, 2009, 04:27:17 AM
Check out the end of Gameprefs.ini. In order to change things, you have to copy entries to Localprefs.ini.
I can't find it in my FE install folder or any subfolders. I was able to find it in a different install of BZII, but that hardly helps. :-(
Quote from: Zero Angel on June 09, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
Ooh interesting. I managed to fix the ~ key problem with all versions of BZ2 on my vista laptop.
I tried using the guide found here
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_console_commands#Other_bugs
Which pointed out the faulty driver, but when I uninstalled the driver it would reinstall -- and give me no option to disable. Some digging through my google searches eventually led me to a more permanent fix (http://forums.windower.net/index.php?showtopic=14256)
The more permanent fix isn't working for me. It just keeps reinstalling the driver. I don't mind uninstalling it manually every time if that's what I need to do though. But as I said, this only fixes the console, it still doesn't let me recycle units or select individuals from a squad.
Quote from: VoodooChile on June 09, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
this problem is fixed by installing newkeys, i had the same problem.
here is where u can download newkeys92700:
http://www.bz2maps.com/files.html
read the instructions because i think u have to move a file manualy
I didn't see any instructions. I downloaded the executable, which I then ran and installed to my Battlezone 2 folder, and it looks like it doesn't really address the problem.
Gameprefs.ini is used in 1.3.
Newkeys is an edited copy of bzgame_keys.cfg which is put into your addon folder and I use it for 1.3, too.
I'm still having trouble, so my inner geek has decided to be scientific about this. Here's what I've done so far:
I've installed plain old fresh-off-the-cd BZ2, and it doesn't let me recycle units or select individuals from a squad.
I've made a copy of the fresh-off-the-cd folder, and installed newkeys to the copy. Still no success.
I've made another copy of the fresh-off-the-cd folder, and will try installing some version of 1.3; should I go with Public Beta 4, Public Beta 3, or Tech Alpha 5? I'll also try the 1.3 with and without Newkeys.
If you're running XP or Vista (blech!), you can run TA5. If not, PB4a.
I'm running Vista, and believe me, blech doesn't cover the half of it. I remember the good ol' days, when file systems didn't explicitly lie to you about where you were saving things... </offtopic>
As to the test, I'll start with TA5, since I've already downloaded its installer, and bigger numbers are fun. :-D
I installed TA5, and started it. The first thing that I noticed was that my profile that I made after the CD install had changed its name from "Fractangle" to some large string of gibberish. That's easily remedied, especially since I had simply created that profile to test the key with, so I proceeded in.
Now, my standardized test for the "workingness" of the tilde key was to start Alien Dunes with settings of Easy Small Large (so that I had a squad of 3 warriors to test individual selection from squad), so I started it. Lo and behold, I now have full functionality of the tilde key!
For scientific thoroughness, I may test public beta 4 at some point, but for now, I'm going to take a break from beating my computer over the head with a stick and instead have the computer AI beat me over the head (or hedoux? :lol:) with a stick.
Don't install to C:\Program Files, but to new root folder.
What I did in the beginning was I installed a fresh CD copy to C:\Games\Battlezone 2 CD, and copied that folder before doing each install test. So, in my Games directory, I have \Battlezone 2, \Battlezone 2 CD, \Battlezone 2 CD Newkeys, and \Battlezone 2 CD 1.3 TA5. Well, had. Now that TA5 gave me back my tilde key, I deleted the Newkeys one, as it was useless. The plain Battlezone 2 one was where I originally had FE, G66, and I think Newkeys.
Quote from: TheJamsh on June 08, 2009, 09:23:52 PM
like he needs it :P...
ITS OVER 9000!!!
Quote from: Fractangle on June 09, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
I'm running Vista, and believe me, blech doesn't cover the half of it.
I don't get why everyone seems to hate Vista, its always worked fine for me :P
It's easier than some may think to get Vista working in a way you wish program-wise. Resource-wise not so much.
Ive never gotten the whole "~" messup. I know this as I am perfectly able to split groups and rotate buildLayouts.
the problem exists only in 1.2, if u play 1.3 theres nothing to solve :)
in 1.2:
install newkeys, then go to: C:\Program Files\Battlezone II\addon\Custom
move bzgame_keys.cfg to C:\Program Files\Battlezone II\addon
that fixes the tilde key problem. (100% sure! :) )
u can use newkeys in 1.3 too, its nice to have, saves a lot of typing
Quote from: Fractangle on June 09, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
I'm running Vista, and believe me, blech doesn't cover the half of it. I remember the good ol' days, when file systems didn't explicitly lie to you about where you were saving things... </offtopic>
As to the test, I'll start with TA5, since I've already downloaded its installer, and bigger numbers are fun. :-D
bottom line-vista is horrible...and i have to use it :cry:
Quote from: King Gladiator on June 20, 2009, 09:31:37 PM
bottom line-vista is horrible...and i have to use it :cry:
Ur horrible, vista rocks!
Other than the occasional (actually frequent, like 30% of the time) having file managing problems it works fine for me.
im just waiting for windows 7
The administrators at school (neither of whom are particularly intelligent) insist on using Vista, which is probably why the server breaks so often.
Quote from: AHadley on June 21, 2009, 05:12:05 AM
The administrators at school (neither of whom are particularly intelligent) insist on using Vista, which is probably why the server breaks so often.
That would be Windows Server 2008, tons more stable and less bloated than Vista. Able to have a desktop installed to be just like Vista.
We use XP Pro in my college. But the PC's are so hoot there is barely worth it (64MB RAM.... WTF!??).
Im in the proces of having a real moan at my college for their system. Looks like people are starting to listen to me. Our fileserver system is terrible.
Quote from: TheJamsh on June 21, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
We use XP Pro in my college. But the PC's are so hoot there is barely worth it (64MB RAM.... WTF!??).
HAHA wow...thats sad. im sorry
Sorry, but if you ask me XP Pro and XP Home only fall short to XP MCE2003 and Windows 7 for standalone desktops and laptops. Servers the only thing better is Server 2008, like NK1 described. It's not sad, it's one of the best Windows OSs available.
Quote from: TheJamsh on June 21, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
We use XP Pro in my college. But the PC's are so hoot there is barely worth it (64MB RAM.... WTF!??).
Im in the proces of having a real moan at my college for their system. Looks like people are starting to listen to me. Our fileserver system is terrible.
Thats horrible. XP simply *crawls* on a 128MB computer but 64MB? How does it even function? The admins are way better off just loading a lightweight linux on there like puppy, as well as a lightweight browser like Kazehakase (which uses >10MB RAM on startup), even then it still might be slow but perhaps not intolerably so.
Be nice if you could stick some RAM into a USB-like slot on the front (and, yes, still have it be accessed at the same speed...).