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Title: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 10:46:48 AM
I decided I would resurrect my copy of Half-Life 2 this morning and launched Steam, only to find that whatever I did it wouldn't recognise a connection to the Steam network. I've run through everything on the Steam website that relates to my issues, nothing. I googled for a bit, and all hits pointed to a complete reinstallation. So I uninstalled Steam and all the games I had on it (The Orange Box, Codename Gordon, Garry's Mod, HL2DM, Minerva, Missing Information and SMod) and reinstalled Steam.

Now, every time I launch Steam, it says 'Steam.exe (Main Exception): Unable to load library 'steam.dll''. I downloaded a dll from the net (something I don't like doing) and this time it did the same with steamui.dll. Downloaded that one, still the same error. I found an image of somebody's clean Steam folder and there was a hell of a lot missing from mine. The problem, in that case, was fixed by the guy sending his steam installation over (minus Steamapps).

1.- Has anybody else had this problem and fixed it? What do I do?

2.- Is there any chance one of you guys could send me your Steam folder, minus your own games?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: GSH on August 18, 2009, 10:59:12 AM
Re-download Steam from the official source, not some pirated DLLs. Look at http://store.steampowered.com/about/ (http://store.steampowered.com/about/) .

-- GSH
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 12:07:35 PM
I've done that half a dozen times already, to no luck...
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: General BlackDragon on August 18, 2009, 12:39:26 PM
question asked more then what color shirt your wearing: Are you running Vista?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
XP:MCE.

Here are the contents of my Steam installation folder.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/A-J-Hadley/Steamtroubles.jpg)
I had something similar once when half the files installed to C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam rather than C:\Program Files\Steam. It's not that this time.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Warfreak on August 18, 2009, 12:45:53 PM
It's not installing all the way it looks. Also SINCE WHEN DOES IT HAVE A SUPPORT PAGE ?!?

@GBD and anyone else who asks that question: Vista isn't as much of a piece of hoot that people who dont know how to do stuff make it look like. If you know how to do stuff, you can get around ALOT of the crap it throws your way. That and i've NEVER had problems with games on Vista that I couldnt debug in less than 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
I know it's not installing properly, that's the problem, damn thing.

Would anybody be able to isolate which core files are missing and send them to me somehow? Is there something else I can do?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Warfreak on August 18, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
Thats the thing, you are missing EVERY file that it needs to install. Run as Admin, install to an area besides program files, SOMETHING that makes sure it installs.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 01:00:03 PM
I am an admin, but I'll see what I can do about the second part.

EDIT: Just had a thought. It does something similar with the Windows Installer Database, are there any registry keys that indicate that the files I am missing are in place?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: GSH on August 18, 2009, 01:21:24 PM
Let me be clearer: DO NOT COPY DLLS LIKE THIS. Steam changes these DLLs every revision. If you install DLLs half from one version, and half from another, you're going to make a 'frankenbuild' that's really buggy and unsupported. Whatever problems you had, you've just squared them by doing stupid stuff like copying DLLs. As much as you think you're "solving" a problem, you're not. You're trying to paper over the real problem, and making more problems for yourself down the road. Only a few DLLs should ever be copied around, and you've got to know that such an operation is safe before you do that.

Frankly, you've got enough of a clue to be dangerous. Really dangerous. You've been handed a loaded gun, and are unloading the clip in the general direction of your feet. If you're going to do stupid stuff like this, your PC users license should be revoked. Go use a console. Or a mac, if you're going to do this.

Steam gave me issues when I tried to install it to c:\program files\games\steam . I like having my games under a subfolder in Program Files, as opposed to c:\program files\<Obscure name of publisher|developer>\<game name>. But, as it gave me flack, I let it use the defaults (i.e. c:\program files\steam ), and it's been happy since then.

-- GSH
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
There are no dlls in the install, that is the problem... it just keeps reinstalling the same files...

I tried installing it to my desktop, and that installed the same files and folders. I might as well have copied the folder over.

Back to the original question. Does anybody have the core files I need from an up-to-date build? Or would that cause the problems GSH is describing?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Warfreak on August 18, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
*headdesk*, For Christ sake GET A NEW INSTALLER FROM THE STEAM WEBSITE.

If it WONT install correctly the one you have is crap, so get another one from the official source.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Nielk1 on August 18, 2009, 02:43:50 PM
#1, only EVER get steam installers and files from the official site. Incorrect DLLs can be modified for cheating and get you VAC BANNED.

#2, OEM MSstyle I see. Still haven't hacked the theme DLL for customs I guess.

#3, Seriously, get the OFFICIAL Steam installer from the OFFICIAL site. Anything else is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 18, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
1) I am using a steam installer from the official site.

2) I have, I have the same Zune style you use, I just like this one.

3) I've got it and am using it!
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Nielk1 on August 18, 2009, 11:38:35 PM
(I actually use a blue Ubuntu style now, only with an MS logo of course.)
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: ScarleTomato on August 19, 2009, 12:55:42 AM
Does steam publish a checksum for their installer? if so does it match up?

here's the MD5 checksum for a working SteamInstall.msi i downloaded a couple hours ago
103F2995C7B497B44A3802D83CBEBE7D

does it match?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 19, 2009, 03:06:22 AM
That means nothing to me, how do I check a checksum?
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: ScarleTomato on August 19, 2009, 04:15:38 AM
http://stu.cbu.edu/~myarbrou/MD5.exe

paste the number posted above into the top bar

and browse for your SteamInstall.exe file in the bottom bar

if it's all green you're good, if its red you need to redownload the install program
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 19, 2009, 11:52:30 AM
Match.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: ScarleTomato on August 19, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
okay the next thing i would try and do is stop all running processes that i can and then try and install it... actually try to install it in safe mode and see if it will.
Under the administrator account, not an admin account, the admin account.


Nevermind about the safe mode install, i don't think it will let you. Just try killing all processes that are not critical and see how it installs then
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: Nielk1 on August 19, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
Also try opening a support ticket with them. Be sure to be civil in it, and know at first their responces will probably suck.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 19, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
I see I'm not the only person with negative comments on their support systems... you'd think that if they were gonna make you pay for a game you can't use where you want, they would at least offer decent support for it...

But I'll give it a try. Both of them.
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 20, 2009, 10:32:34 AM
Sent a message off to Steam. I'll notify you if I get things working :)
Title: Re: Steam being troublesome
Post by: AHadley on August 21, 2009, 08:18:52 AM
Problem fixed itself early this morning, I think it has something to do with my install coincidentally coinciding with a Steam update... But all works now and I shall hopefully see you all in-game sometime.