GSH is aware of the problems in pb4a and will get to them when he can. GSH has indicated that he is getting annoyed with the demands for a quick patch. Annoying him too much will most likely have very negative consequences. For now, just play the version you find the most stable and wait for an update if and whenever one comes out.
GSH is now working 10 hour days, I believe 7 days a week, at pandemic because Sabeteur is close to release. Since it is so close to release, he is stuck in crunch time, hence the hours.
Who is demanding it? I thought that we are all patiently waiting.
I'm not going to name anyonen specifically since it wouldn't be constructive. I remember one member saying GSH should release a patch to fix the lagout bug.
Just remember, as long as people give GSH his space and don't annoy him, chances are a lot higher that it will get addressed along with the fog bug.
I stated in another post as well:
Continue to report bugs that you see in PB4a that are NOT related to the lag out bug or the fog bug. Everyone is already aware of those two for sure, but there are most definitely other AVs or errors that still occur that we might not be seeing. The more we can do now, the less we will have to do later.
lets not even patiently wait, it probably makes GSH feel as though its expected of him and make him less inclined to do it, which is fair enough.
i know who youre talking about commando, i dont think his english is very good though, maybe he didnt mean to sound so demanding but i could be wrong...
LOL,
It's interesting that sometimes people forget how blessed we are to have Ken and GSH still with us. :) It's hard to know what we had till it's gone. :D
Plus, he's got more important things to do at the moment. :D
I never got the impression that demanding another public patch was a huge thing, unless its the kind of thing happening on emails/pm's/private boards. Personally I dislike when people demand things privately, because 10 other people could have made the request and you'll never have known that they did so. Just like the kinds of things happening with Wz getting harrassed in-game, through PM, emails, and other means of private communications.
Quote from: Commando on October 20, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
I'm not going to name anyonen specifically since it wouldn't be constructive. I remember one member saying GSH should release a patch to fix the lagout bug.
Just remember, as long as people give GSH his space and don't annoy him, chances are a lot higher that it will get addressed along with the fog bug.
That was probably me.....
The lag out bug some reason REALLY REALLY ticks me off, i mean not normal kinda ticking off er something.... (the bug it self, not the person who made the version)
Yeah, the lag out bug annoys me too which is why I haven't played more than 4 games on pb4a since it was released.
Instead of everyone annoying GSH about the bugs in battlezone 2 why don't they annoy pandemic about them, if there is many thay might make a proper patch for bz2 ;)
Shane
Right now, Pandemic considers BZ2 to be in a state of benign neglect-- they let Ken and I work on it from home, in our spare time. The odds of spending a dime on patch work is effectively zero. Heck, I'd be happy if the only thing they'd do is link to my 1.3 download page, but that'd probably too much to ask.
-- GSH
Benign neglect?
I spend about 6 hours a day modding it, you spent ages and ages creating the patches... it is probably about as neglected as Half Life 2.
so Pandemic at least know there is a slight modding/patching thing going on
not our fault. if the stupid marketing people had advertised it properly it probably would have been a much bigger hit
Not just marketing, they cut off production a bit early (as GSH pointed out to me).
I am still wondering what the Spacial Displacement Tower was supposed to do.
i think that it is very early to make a new patch already
Quote from: Nielk1 on October 23, 2008, 05:46:26 PM
Not just marketing, they cut off production a bit early (as GSH pointed out to me).
I am still wondering what the Spacial Displacement Tower was supposed to do.
And the critics bashed it to pieces as it changed the original things from BZ1. I'm just glad Pandemic has allowed Ken and GSH to continue to work on it. :)
Quote from: lucky_foot on October 24, 2008, 06:31:26 AM
And the critics bashed it to pieces as it changed the original things from BZ1. I'm just glad Pandemic has allowed Ken and GSH to continue to work on it. :)
even if Pandemic said no cant they still work on it and stuff by them selves and make patches and stuff just like any other player can do if they know how
Quote from: Dataanti on October 24, 2008, 09:11:32 AM
even if Pandemic said no cant they still work on it and stuff by them selves and make patches and stuff just like any other player can do if they know how
Nope. Cause they've got to devote the money they are paying their programmers to writing and maintaining games like Mercenaries II, Saboteur , etc.
Time costs money for companies that big.
well they sure arnt going to let them work on it in there spare time.
but quite frankly, Ken and GSH practically wrote the program. so they should be able to access it.
Quote from: TheJamsh on October 24, 2008, 10:36:22 AM
well they sure arnt going to let them work on it in there spare time.
Not arguing, but either you or I missed the point. It was said up above that they work on this program in their spare time at home. The company doesn't control your home time. ;)
Quote from: TheJamsh on October 24, 2008, 10:36:22 AM
but quite frankly, Ken and GSH practically wrote the program. so they should be able to access it.
There were a lot of other people that wrote BZ2. They worked on the patch. (This is just clarification) if it was only them then the credits wouldn't be long. :D
Quote from: lucky_foot on October 24, 2008, 11:54:16 AM
Not arguing, but either you or I missed the point. It was said up above that they work on this program in their spare time at home. The company doesn't control your home time. ;)
Yeah and it's not just that, it's that Pandemic gave Nathan and Ken an okay ("approval" sounds too formal, heh) to do the BZ2 patch, but only in their spare/free time (i.e. at home, away from work). And of course, no money involved as said, to Ken/Nathan, either from us consumers or from Pandi, under or over the table, not even voluntary donations, otherwise there would be legal matters by Pandi/Acti, such as them getting fired, afaik. I suppose part of the reason we have v1.3 is because Pandemic saw the light in hindsight that Activision never really gave them enough time to hone this game by the time it went gold in 1999; thus it suffered by the hands of critics, not just because of change of concept from BZ1, as aforementioned, but also the prevalent bugs in v1.0. And so because of this hindsight, there's just a little bit of redemption by Pandemic to let Nathan/Ken help us progress BZ2. Hence the "benign neglect" status, hehe. And actually the first time we see Pandemic serving our BZ2 gaming needs for free was with patch 1.2, which Activision never approved as post-beta.
There are many other games out there, older than BZ2, that are still active in playing/modding, Quake2 for example (only a couple years older than BZ2 though). So I think most of us are glad that BZ2 still has life, ~8 years later. ;)
yeh i meant something different
i meant the company cant NOT let them work on it in their spare time.
there were only six programmers for BZ2... its in the manual.
Quote from: TheJamsh on October 26, 2008, 06:01:49 AM
yeh i meant something different
i meant the company cant NOT let them work on it in their spare time.
there were only six programmers for BZ2... its in the manual.
They COULD, by choosing to withhold the source code, or forbidding any more modifications to it. The original source code is, after all, property of Pandemic.
bah, that would be poo. well at least they are letting them go that far...
That's why Pandemic is so cool. ;) They make the brand new games, but let those older games still live. :D What do you think the BZ2 community would have been if they had locked down on the source code? :D
Quote from: lucky_foot on October 27, 2008, 06:57:45 AM
That's why Pandemic is so cool. ;) They make the brand new games, but let those older games still live. :D What do you think the BZ2 community would have been if they had locked down on the source code? :D
Well the game i used to play, BOTS!!, is the english version of BOUT!! (bout is korean) and bout closed down, and so did the companys that made the patches for BOTS and BOUT. But acclaim is trying to hack the source code to make their own patches for bots, ive heard.
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Hacking the Koreans? Is that really wise? *Puts paper bag on head.*
Im Demanding a PB4B Patch !
Or atleast 8-) 1.3 as full release
Why play bugy pacth anyway :-D :mrgreen:
Not cool.
I say mods should delete that post. And consider banning this guy.
hes foreign... maybe didnt understand
Quote from: Ego - Nikolas on October 29, 2008, 01:59:50 AM
Im Demanding a PB4B Patch !
Or atleast 8-) 1.3 as full release
Why play bugy pacth anyway :-D :mrgreen:
Let him speak his opinion, BBB, it's okay. But as a fair warning for anyone who wishes to start a flame war, there will be NO hoot being started on BZU, especially in the case of the 1.3 patch. There has been a lot of bad history with the 1.3 patch concerning unwarranted flaming.
There are TWO developers doing the actual coding. Nathan Mates and Ken Miller. They donate their free time, without pay, to work on the project. Do you expect them to do all the testing as well? That's one of the reason's why we aren't still on 1.2 as the final patch, because we have been playing these "buggy" patches and finding the bugs for them to patch. The 1.3 public betas are less buggy and have far more features than the pre-v1.3 patches of BZII. I can guarantee that BZ2 v1.3 final will be buggy, and even a BZ2 V2.0 would be buggy, because it's impossible to iron out all the bugs in BZII. If you don't like the current public betas, just stick with the far buggier 1.2, 1.1, or 1.0 versions.
I'll assume that remark you just made was kidding around, but there has been a lot worse been said around here which wasn't kidding around. The admins here will probably be less lenient, though.
I don't think so. Isn't he the idiot from bz2maps who is supresssing all info about 1.3 such as deleting 1.3 based posts?
If so, then that is more than enough cause to ban him.
Just FYI, that stopped happening over a month ago. He even set up a 1.3 board in place on BZ2Maps, and 1.3 talk is allowed there.
Just leave it BBB...
Quote from: Total Oblivion Omnis on October 29, 2008, 07:06:38 AMas a fair warning for anyone who wishes to start a flame war, there will be NO hoot being started on BZU
BZ2MAPS has nothing to do with BZU, and 1.3 is now accepted at BZ2MAPS. His post isn't going to make a lot of people happy, but he was only trying to be funny.
i say drop it and lock the post. i think the points been made... no demands on GSH and Ken. i think we all agree on it. so lets do it
I've been out of the loop for a while, so everything said so far about BZ2MAPS and the 1.3 forum pretty much went over my head :-(.
If the topic stays open, it might serve as a giant bug-zapper light that will attract the true flamers who aren't merely debating or joking around. Zaaap :lol:!
Lol, why ban me??
Just coz i got my wishes.. which in the end you like too !
Yea I'm trying to be funny, but that's not worked out for some 1.
Like cmon we all expecting/demanding/waiting/wishing in our lives..
i knew this should be locked... i have the foresight or admins
This Community is small enough so learn to get along without flaming. (Off Topic = Locked)
Flaming posts removed. Topic remains locked.