Just curious why so many of the 1.3 STs are being passworded these days. Are people afraid of vets crashing their games? (in a metaphorical sense), noobs? People with bad attitudes? Because the games have special rules?
Huh. It's kind of strange.
That has been an issue since public beta 1 unfortunately. The d-bags annoy me a lot considering the 1.3 community is small enough as is, then you have 1/2 of the games locked so those that can't find games end up giving up and finding other games.
Personally I would love to see those IPs added to the gameprefs file in a setting that automatically hides those games from everyone, even their friends.
Meanies... :-D
There are a few peeps around I have seen who just want to play with their friend(s) good on em, I say!
There are more who don't want to play with me :-D because they don't like getting exterminated...
I can see good reasons why they're locked.
- Since 1.3 was built up for modders, many players have their own personal tweaks that they throw in for fun.
- Some people just like to play with close friends.
- Some people (though I do NOT condone it) like to make a multiplayer game, lock it, and play by themselves. I don't know if it's for the extra challenge because of the extra cheat boost the AIPs get in MPI (that I cant seem to find the kill switch too...), or maybe they're just a loner, I don't know.
- I have encountered a figurative ton of "bad" players. I do not mean "bad" as in "neophyte," but rather as in they DON'T DO A FRIKKIN THING! One example (sorry if this sounds like a flame, but its a warning), one player by the name of "Yeah" likes to host/join games, hide in the recycler, and go AFK for SIX HOURS STRAIGHT! The funny thing is, I almost ALWAYS see him...well, his account... on, and when he finally joined my server and did NOT leave the computer, actually playing the damn game, he got in a scavenger I asked him to deploy on a pool and drove around uselessly (not even picking up any of the frikkin loose) for the majority of the match until I got fed up and booted him. Not only this guy, but I have come across idiots who like to do as they please in games, even if it means ruining the experience for everyone else (IE, shooting friendlies on purpose, sniping my vehicles instead of just asking for his/her own, wasting vehicles by rushing, etc).
Yep thats the sole reason why vet strats tend to need people to vouch. Though I think its good to give other people a chance, if they mess up you can just kick them, and at the very last resort simply lock the game.
But yea, I get the whole 'people testing their own assets thing', I still would think it would be better if 1.3 games werent locked so often. The more players the better!
In 1.3 we can ban in game :D
What we need is a 1.3pb4a Dedicated Server script, similar to those found in 1.2.
I do not know where to find the scripts they use in 1.2, or if they work for 1.3pb4a, but if someone were to make one, I would gladly setup a 1.3pb4a ded server!
Just a small question, what are vets?
VET: 1The most skilled players in the game. 2Any player welcomed into a ZST strat by another player in the 1.2 patch. 3An experienced player with a horrible attitude toward anyone other than himself.
that pretty much sums it up
You decide by context which of those 3 it is, or if it is 2 or all 3.
just the second actually
Quote from: Steeveeo on January 29, 2009, 01:31:58 PM
What we need is a 1.3pb4a Dedicated Server script...if someone were to make one, I would gladly setup a 1.3pb4a ded server!
PLEASE ratake your post BBB (or moderator edit the post).
I've seen enough flames sprout out already.
Quote from: bigbadbogie on January 31, 2009, 04:22:08 PM
4 - Intolerant and ungrateful scum who are incapable of understanding that the 1.3 patches have improved the game. They should all be left to rot in their precious little bz2maps site.
Lagout bug still gets meh mad, other than that, 1.3 patches have improved it.
Quote from: Warfreak on January 31, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
PLEASE ratake your post BBB (or moderator edit the post).
I've seen enough flames sprout out already.
I wont flame any further, but that was 100% the truth.
I removed it.
Let's talk about passworded games now :)
Maybe the just wanna play with their friends, i mean, i cant think of any other reason to play a passworded game.
If someone with a bad ping joins a few times and keeps messing up my games, rather than ban him I'll just password the game. It's rare that I'll do this tough. Sometimes I'll just do this from the beginning of a 1.2 G66 mpi because people will join then leave too many times and ruin my game. My regulars know my passwords. I don't think people that do it are being dicks or anything. There are many valid reasons to do it. Bz2 is a finicky game. You've got avers in 1.2 and people with a bad connections in all patches.
QuoteIf someone with a bad ping joins a few times and keeps messing up my games, rather than ban him I'll just password the game.
:)
hehehe, ya squirrel used to join when I had 1.3pb1, his ping is super bad. But on pb1 he could still play. pb3 he just @#$%ed up the game.
Quote from: Steeveeo on January 28, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
I can see good reasons why they're locked.
- Since 1.3 was built up for modders, many players have their own personal tweaks that they throw in for fun.
- Some people just like to play with close friends.
- Some people (though I do NOT condone it) like to make a multiplayer game, lock it, and play by themselves. I don't know if it's for the extra challenge because of the extra cheat boost the AIPs get in MPI (that I cant seem to find the kill switch too...), or maybe they're just a loner, I don't know.
- I have encountered a figurative ton of "bad" players. I do not mean "bad" as in "neophyte," but rather as in they DON'T DO A FRIKKIN THING! One example (sorry if this sounds like a flame, but its a warning), one player by the name of "Yeah" likes to host/join games, hide in the recycler, and go AFK for SIX HOURS STRAIGHT! The funny thing is, I almost ALWAYS see him...well, his account... on, and when he finally joined my server and did NOT leave the computer, actually playing the damn game, he got in a scavenger I asked him to deploy on a pool and drove around uselessly (not even picking up any of the frikkin loose) for the majority of the match until I got fed up and booted him. Not only this guy, but I have come across idiots who like to do as they please in games, even if it means ruining the experience for everyone else (IE, shooting friendlies on purpose, sniping my vehicles instead of just asking for his/her own, wasting vehicles by rushing, etc).
I know that dude, I have joined a few of his games before and he doesn't do a damn thing. It pisses me off. I also hate when people are like, "I'm bored" or something, and they will start shooting you and stuff and it gets annoying.
And I don't get why people lock the game in multiplayer and play by themselves.
Yea, Squirrel and I have satellite. The ping sucks. 1 second + on average.
Heh, I remember playing with squirrel the first time.
I look up at the score box, and I am horrified to see that it's 1700 vs 72 ping.
Dogfighting him is a pain. :P
Quote from: Sabre Tank on February 18, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
And I don't get why people lock the game in multiplayer and play by themselves.
Likely someone testing a mod in MPI or some other MP mode.
Why would they bother to lock it? People will get bad assets anyway.
Quote from: bigbadbogie on February 18, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
Why would they bother to lock it? People will get bad assets anyway.
Probably so people don't join and get pissed of when they get kicked be cause of bad assets. Then they troll back in, "WTF Y DID U KICK MEE!!!" Or some other incoherent rambling. It would certainly get annoying.
That, and when someone joins just to get kicked by a BA error, more often than not, causes the game to go unstable and even someone playing by themselves starts to lag.
Yeah, when someone joins but gets kicked due to bad assets, it turns on the multiplayer code (multiworld) which causes things to get slightly warpy. It is when multiworld is enabled that ai units start to warp.
Shouldn't it automatically turn MW off when the 2nd player leaves?
I don't believe it does.
You'd think it would, but I haven't seen it work that way.
Christ, the 1.3 players are a bunch of whiners. The other day i decided to play 1.3 for the 1st time, i took command on the map quarry.
I got 2 fast upgrades and flooded the field with rats, and i got kicked and asked not to play in the server again.
And yesterday i got kicked becuz i was about to win, christ, this is a great advertisement to 1.3, i see most what u 1.3ers call 'problems' are fixed accept from the idiotic community. (no offence to has not booted me from a game cos ur getting beaten or about to get beat)
Waste of time.
Why not post the name and ip address of the host so the rest of us know who to avoid playing with?
Don't be mean.
There is a wide spectrum of skill in 1.3 currently, From the kids who wont get let into 1.2 vet games up to some well chewed old vets...Just got to learn to be nice to the newer players and let them play their way... and then EXTERMINATE! them. :-D
Quote from: Tom on April 07, 2009, 11:57:32 AM
Christ, the 1.3 players are a bunch of whiners. The other day i decided to play 1.3 for the 1st time, i took command on the map quarry.
I got 2 fast upgrades and flooded the field with rats, and i got kicked and asked not to play in the server again.
And yesterday i got kicked becuz i was about to win, christ, this is a great advertisement to 1.3, i see most what u 1.3ers call 'problems' are fixed accept from the idiotic community. (no offence to has not booted me from a game cos ur getting beaten or about to get beat)
Waste of time.
Similar but hypothetical situations:
This rectangle is a square so ALL RECTANGLES ARE SQUARES!
I got mugged in New York, that city is all muggers.
etc etc etc
Exclaiming what you did is just childish, 1.3 is no more at fault for hootty players as 1.2 is.
Tom, the same pathetic idiots play both 1.2 and 1.3.
You are not alone in hating them.
I hate them too, but I can still shiver at the thought, knowing that long ago I used to be one of the sore losers. :/
But when time goes on you learn to take your beating like a vet.
BTW, a bit offtopic, has anyone ever plotted out just what it means to be a "veteran"? Is it play time, skill, how you play, or some combination of the above and others?
It's likely skill, as someone who's been around for years isn't necessarily a "vet."
VSMIT.
Your ability to do certain things and play a certain way (yes, this includes hovering and ghosting). In 1.2 a vet must be a "known" player who is accepted into ZSTs by other vets.
Quote from: Steeveeo on April 07, 2009, 06:14:37 PMBut when time goes on you learn to take your beating like a vet.
A lot of vets don't take beatings well :)
Veteran or Veterinarian? :P
I suppose it would be skill if you wanted to be a 1.3 vet.
Veteran, I would hope, I don't think being beaten in BZ2 does much for our health, human or otherwise :lol:
Quote from: VSMIT on April 07, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
It's likely skill, as someone who's been around for years isn't necessarily a "vet."
But dont you grow skill by experiance, and as you have experiance you are a vet.
At least if what is called a vet here is the same as it is in the army, where you are a vet when you've been to war.
So having played plenty of strat 8 years ago and never again means you could be a poor player now and still be a vet.
Quote from: Red Spot on April 08, 2009, 09:28:28 AMSo having played plenty of strat 8 years ago and never again means you could be a poor player now and still be a vet.
Again, if you were with other vets in ZST games, being able to do the things mentioned above (in BZ2 1.2 terms, anyway). Always cool to meet "old vets" who come back.
I remember 4 vs 4 games before everyone was flying around and defying game rules. Yes, yes, that was long long ago. God, did I even have my user name back then? :roll:
Maybe you should try out a few vets games see for yourself :)
I seem to recall NK1 saying he gets kickbanned from most 1.2 games.
Quotebefore everyone was flying around and defying game rules.
What rules would they be?
People see my user name and kick me because I support 1.3
No kidding.
Play under your real name then, or something like KleinJ... or something completely unrelated.
Quote from: AHadley on April 09, 2009, 12:09:39 PM
Play under your real name then, or something like KleinJ... or something completely unrelated.
Or just say that you want to try it out.
Oh, don't get left behind in the first 10 seconds...
Quote from: Nielk1 on April 09, 2009, 09:50:20 AM
People see my user name and kick me because I support 1.3
No kidding.
That's actually really sad, because we all play Battlezone I and II, Reguardless of version, instead of pushing away new players or ones who support other patches, maybe they should let them in because your bascially saying
"I don't care if this game has player base at all, Because he supports the other patch, he's not playing with me."
And that Sir, Is Wrong.
(Edit) Just because you can play/support one patch, doesn't mean you can't play/support another, I play both, and im fine with both of them, 1.3 has it's useful fixes, and in 1.2 the strat is good if you are tired of mpi, so i belive that they are both well-rounded patches, Bugs aside, I wish that players would all get along, especially with such a small community. I am afraid that some players (not blaming anyone here) have given up on Battlezone II because they are not accepted into a game. . . :/
(Edit[2]) What i ment by not accepted into a game means that they don't have the vet repect and/or all the passworded games are keeping them out
(Edit[3]) And what if 1.3 gets better than 1.2 and all the vets wanna join, but sience they did not let 1.3 players into their game, maybe 1.3 players would not let them into their games (not to say that this would happen) but i think that some 1.2 players do not understand the possible reprocussions. Such as all of their friends going to 1.3, and they are not allowed into most games because of thier behavior in the past. I am not attempting to flame here in any way. I am giving my insight. and I am neutral. Players and Patches alike
Is it me or is it getting a little warm in here? This could turn nasty.
QuotePeople see my user name and kick me because I support 1.3
Most of the 1.2 strat vets are good ol boys really, but a few of them are not, even if you have been playing with them for years, some of them will kick you just because someone they think is a slightly better thug turns up...some of them, when not in a position to kick, will refuse to build you another ship if they think you are loosing too many. For some of them it is not a game...Very sad really.
Using another name will not help, it would just increase the chance of a kick, for being an unknown.
The only way is to run the server yourself. There are at least 2 notorious vets who are simply unwelcome on my server (when I still played 1.2) and I would no longer consider it a worthwhile use of my time joining one of theirs.
Quote from: AHadley on April 10, 2009, 03:12:15 AM
Is it me or is it getting a little warm in here? This could turn nasty.
if that was a response to my post above, then in no way did i mean it the way you recived it.
Not particularly to you, but I smell something.
Just hope it's not 1.2'ers that I can smell :lol:
heh, Don't be hating on them.
I'm not, but if they turn up we would soon have an argument on our hands. I don't hate them, I used to be reluctant to come to 1.3 (even if it was because it was a WIP and I had broken my disk, lol) but I don't want more arguments.
so was i, back when i first started modding i used 1.2, i can still see my first post over on BZU.
moved to 1.3... never looked back. unless it was to tear mods apart :P