Battlezone1 kerfuffle

[TheJamsh]

i mean XP should still be compatible, but before that, i dont see a real need for it.

[AHadley]

'98 was a very good OS and I still have it on my notebook. Mainly because it won't run XP, but also because I don't want all of XP's features that I don't use on my small notebook. Which is about as old as me Then again, it won't run BZ anyway. No hardware or 3D acceleration either.

That's the only computer I have ever seen running 98 since XP was released.

And with XP so cheap these days (especially now we're two ahead) there's really no reason for a BZer not to upgrade.

[GSH]

As far as I know, BZ2 1.3ta5/1.3pb5.1 require Win2000 and up. Not XP and up.

-- GSH

[Blunt Force Trauma]

I think many here that are aware of the angst in the BZ1 community have a valid perspective that is justifiable.  It's much easier to see AND recognize the nonsense when you're not bathed in it daily or even weekly.

That said, most here weren't exposed to the horrendous amount of everyday and various mischief and full blown hacking that began to become overwhelming around 2005-6, so it's much easier to make an evaluation with a cooler head.

As you can now see with the community size of BZ1, the landscape of BZ1 has now become a barren wasteland, and at this point, I doubt there's any recovering.

It's very refreshing to see this board/community, for the most part, level-headed and civilized.

[Nielk1]

Lets hope a new BZ1 patch paves the way for cleaning things up. One of two things would happen. A: 3 way split. B: Some people from both parties join the new BZ and it becomes secondary to that of one of those parties. (IE a community that plays more than one reliably).

[TheJamsh]

Personally i think as soon as BZC comes out (provided a good job is done which im sure it will be), BZ1 will most likely die off... it really depends how well the emulation is in BZ2 really...

well, die off may be a bit extreme, but i suspect 'newcomers' if there are any will go to BZc as soon as they find out about it.

[Nielk1]

Personally i think as soon as BZC comes out (provided a good job is done which im sure it will be), BZ1 will most likely die off

Nope. But BZ2 will certainly get more traffic.

[eddywright]

Lets hope a new BZ1 patch paves the way for cleaning things up. One of two things would happen. A: 3 way split. B: Some people from both parties join the new BZ and it becomes secondary to that of one of those parties. (IE a community that plays more than one reliably).

There will always be a faction wanting the game as is. They enjoy tweaking/cheating and won't be happy with any version that prevents it.

Eddy

[Nielk1]

There will always be a faction wanting the game as is. They enjoy tweaking/cheating and won't be happy with any version that prevents it.

Eddy

I figured BZE vs Spock would become BZE/BZ1NEWPATCH vs Spock.

[ssuser]

Well, the thing of it is, with all the changes and additions to BZE it is an expansion not a patch, as it is far from stock and done by a modder Spock can get away with his "non-stock" arguments to the uninitiated. However, the new bzone.exe is being worked on by an original developer and if he gets it working well it will be as close to an "official" patch as you can get. Spock will have a much harder time telling people that the next version is "non-stock".

[ssuser]

It will be good if you can share some of your improvements and code fixes with Ken, he certainly seems willing to listen. IMHO, there are quite a few non-OS related things in BZE that should go into a stock 1.5 patch - the Golem fix, the sniper tanks fix, the shell improvements, just to name a few - although I'm aware that some will not agree with changing all of these.

[Nielk1]

HAHA! He says I never played BZ1.

K - Deploy
Q - Cloak (IIRC)
DMs you are stuck with the one unit you pick.

Hmm what else... Basically I know BZ1 and have played it. Hell I have ROTBD and have played all of that.

I didn't ever manage to finish TRO, that's the closest to truth "didn't even play BZ1" can be.

The point of view of someone looking in from the outside tends to show things both sides can't see but is also less accurate on the information. As that person looking in I see Spock and some people on one side, and everybody else on the other. Spock slanders and claims the other side is evil, some people move to Spock's side, them promptly get banned and go back to the other side, then a site like that new one opens and it looks like it is not Spock related, and people use it. Quite funny really when you look at this whole thing.

I've actually heard horrible claims about both sides from Launchalot, so I am not some sort of robot on one side or the other, I simply speak from what I have seen and how I was treated when I attempted to join the respective halves of the community to discuss things with them.

His whole thing about people being banned is funny. No one is banned from BZU permanently the first ban unless they post porn or are a bot. It is repeatedly doing something that you are told is wrong that gets you banned. For example, posting links to installs of BZ1, which is not allowed because someone scared the server host for this site into thinking even BZE is illegal (it is not). Actually sounds like something one of Spock's cronies would do from what I understand, but there is no way to know. If it was however, the irony is that is a direct cause of Spock's ban.

[Nielk1]

Preserving this here where he can't edit it:

I would still appreciate having this user removed but, seeing as it is still here.

Spock was banned from BZU for doing something specific more than once. He was warned the first time. It was something many of us had no problem with (posting certain links) but someone complained to the server company hosting BZU about such a thing a long while ago with BzE, and now, for that reason, nothing of that type may be linked for shear legal protection. Spock was warned several times before he was banned. The irony is it was likely someone against BzE who started that issue, and as thus likely someone from here.

For another point, I have played Battlezone I. I got it with a thrustmaster joystick and it is why I got Battlezone II. I also have played TRO, and I have finished the Black Dog Campaign in ROTB (the N64 game).

And a technical note as to why BzE only has one server. BzE has received an ANET ID different than that of BZ1, because, as was stated, it is not BZ1. As such the server must be set to host that game ID (to my knowledge, I may be incorrect as to ID limiting ANET servers, I dug though ANET source code but it is a mess). This also supports the claim that BzE was always meant for development testing and as a mod.

I must also stress that my statements about community alignment are based on forum activity. As a baseline I see many more members on the side opposite to yours than here. Seeing as each have a habit of banning the other side, this means that it is rather reliable to use a simply count of the active users. A neutral party (and a few who aren't) would likely appear on both sites. From cruising both sites I find that you use a 'patched' version of BZ1 while the other half uses an older version of BZ1 or BzE. Seeing this, it is easy to conclude that the larger party, by active member count, is playing BzE and BZ1 and your party is playing BZ1 'patched'. I further deduce from your hate of BzE and some of your reasons, as well as what is said about you and what you say about DX, that a version of BZ1 that is patched that runs contrary to your 'patched' version would either A: be accepted by both sides, or B: Be only accepted by the other side and be another target for your scorn.

Points to the contrary would be appreciated, and by this I mean actual points, not random slandering and screwing with user settings again. (Just look at what you did to my profile here, unless you fixed it.)

[Axeminister]

I tried hard to finish tro, never did though.

[lucky_foot]

Thanks to all this...I don't think we're going to see another public release of the BZ1 fix from Ken for awhile if it's gonna keep the peace.



Forgive the cynicism, but I have a nasty headache.