Sabre problems

[Killer AK]

is it me in 1.3 games the sabres are more retarded in combat than scavagers?
I am noticing they are driving to far past thier target and when u tell them to attack a target they drive left right and like 2 sabres in the group attack where as the sabres the others are too busy driving around doing nothing but taking shots.
am i the only one who see's this

[Killer AK]

1.3techalpha5

[Rocket]

yeah, i've noticed that it's very irritating sometimes...

i developed a heavy assault hover unit, and it takes them FOREVER to circle around something so that they are "all happy" with their positions.... and THEN they attack...

gets kinda annoying when you tell them to attack a gun tower.... 

but yeah, even with the faster units, it's sometimes a little annoying watching them.

i believe those tactics are in the earlier versions too...

i think someone with a c++ machine needs to pull out their magic wand. 

[GSH]

There was a problem like this for a while when tunnels were briefly added to some objects (guntowers, I think) in private betas. It helped scavs path around those objects, but some units took really long paths to get to them. Things were better when this was reverted, but it took a while for the alternate problem to be noticed.

Debugging AI and pathing is extremely time-intensive, and not fun. Uselessly vague reports like "something bad happened to me one day" don't help get any problem solved. Programming isn't just some magic wand. It's a LOT of work.

-- GSH

[Rocket]

i think someone with a c++ machine needs to pull out their magic wand.

Programming isn't just some magic wand. It's a LOT of work.

-- GSH

actually, i was joking, hence the smiley after that sentence....

[AHadley]

Don't worry about it, GSH doesn't appreciate it being implied that he doesn't do any work

[Mr X]

Its odd, but sabres are usually like that, yet recently in a game they temporarily overcame this fault and beat the hell out of some rocket tanks supported by turrets and service trucks. That was the only bit of luck I had in that game though...stupid rocket tanks getting stuck in my buildings...

[Rocket]

insidently, any chance of "weaponMask" being fixed so it works with more vehicle types, in the next patch?

[TheJamsh]

use it with MorphTankFriend/Enemy ainames and it works.

MorphTankFriend/Enemy paths better too. And NO, it doesnt make sabres morph.

[Rocket]

use it with MorphTankFriend/Enemy ainames and it works.

MorphTankFriend/Enemy paths better too. And NO, it doesnt make sabres morph.

so you're saying that there's a way to make a MorphTankFriend/Enemy that doesn't morph?

[bb1]

That is the AI name for it, rather than the classlabel. Classlabel morphtank makes it morph, the AI for it just controls the behavior. It will "try" to morph into assault mode, but the instructions for that won't be possible to execute and it will just attack better.

[Sabre Tank]

I have noticed this also....It gets very frustrating when you have a group of them..tell them to attack and maybe 2 or 3 shoot once at the target then spin around while the rest are still driving 4 miles past the enemy... while any others may be circiling around it and not shoot at all....and then just maybe the time they decide to shoot is just before they get blown to hoot. Well maybe not like that situation, but that's how I've seen it happen.

[Rocket]

thanks TJ and BB1, i'm using MorphTankFriend/Enemy, and it's tons better! 

[TheJamsh]

Just a little FYI as well, SupportProcess will make vehicles go absolutely beserk if you dont use an attackTask and subAttackTask with it. I found this out with my new mantichora unit for my rec variant. It would hunt you to the end of the earth, but it could never shoot you...

AI Processes and things are a bit difficult at times, you've just got to experiment to see what works best. In my experience morphtankfriend/enemy is a VERY good AI process, it can even use locking weapons which a lot of other classes can't.

[Mr X]

I've decided, sabres are only good for scav hunting or scav escort duty