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[PhoeniX-FlamE]

ill keep an eye..
although im having some problems with my connection
might be spyware ill try and fix it by 2morrow

[Avatar]

wanna know my personal theory ?

I reckon some of the so called "vets" are just scared to play 1.3 because THEY KNOW that they will get their arses handed to them without their precious hover bug thingy , then they won't be "vets" anymore , they'll be "noobs" again . It's all down to fear of change , fear of losing , fear of learning something new and several years of relying on the same lame tactic all the time .

Hmm, well, I don't think so...

I'm seeing the exact same thing that happened when BZ2 first came out.  History is repeating itself.  The BZ1 DMers (Vets of the time) were SO ticked about the change to vehicle physics that it alone was enough to make some of them dismiss BZ2 without question.  The change in gameplay dynamics to Strat-Centered did in the rest of them.

I don't deny that the most violent critics to losing hovering found it fun.  There are patches and mods to some games that crank things up and they're very fun also, like a server side change in Tribes that let us all have Mortors while Light with Energy packs.  What a blast!  But still, not Tribes...  Hovering has become part of BZ2 for these guys and they smart at losing it.  I can understand and sympathize.

Doesn't mean I approve of the childish lashing out some of them have done, but I do understand that they're losing something they like about the game.

Thing is, 1.3 is flexible enough to give them something very close to hovering without the bug being present.  The alternative should be just as fun to those who don't see it as a cheesy tactic.  That is, you'll get all the maneuvering fun without the escape to the sky crap...  Toss in all the other goodies and 1.3 is SO much better than 1.2!



You know, I knew this would be a biggie, and am glad to see it winding down, but I really thought the 'enhanced' AI and Base D would be much more devastating to 'Vet Play'.    I've yet to hear anyone making as big a deal about those topics as hovering.  I think it's a silly thing to be stuck on....

-Av-

[Lizard]

Av part of that statement was slightly tongue in cheek , however I don't particularly relish being branded a noob , I played this game online for nearly 2 yrs before the proliferation of lame tactics robbed me of any enjoyment .

I guess we all have our axes to grind , Vets say they have been robbed of their game by so called noobs , I call that karma .

[Dirty Rooster]

A LOT of vets will be used to having an advantage in 1.2 against
newer players ... mwf.

Mwf 1 gives advantage over all others.
Mwf 2 gives advantage over mwf4 and above.
Mwf 4 gives advantage over default mwf10.

The advantage is in visual warp and apparent gun hits
according to my tests.

1.3 appears to warp a lot more than 1.2 because most hosts are
using mwf5 or 6 or above (in my short 1.3 experience).
I have played one game 2v2 in 1.3 where the host chose mwf2 and
warp was significanly less than in all other 1.3 games played.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

i accutly find more warp in mwf 2 and 1

mwf4 was declread to be best if all on it...

i think some servers should try 10 though... cause before any1 knew about mwf it wasnt such a big issue... and since 10 is default for strats it was proabably the best...
although 4 was declread the best if every1 uses it...

if i got it right when the host chooses the mwf it choose it for every1..
and i dont think i need to tell you how games with every1 on mwf 1 and 2 looks like

[Commando]

I dont reommend using mwf of 10 since ai warping is rediculous at that setting.  It has been for me anyways.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

im sure that before u knew what mwf is you were on 10 and it was preaty fine..
ai warps in every mwf at 1.3
even scavs warps...
and i remember back then no1 complained about warps - no one knew what mwf is and how to change it
and the default in strats is 10

we should give it a try after somehow the warp of AI in overall and bascily warps overall - not just AI or because of the mwf problems will be fixed
hopefuly beta 2

[Commando]

The ai warps more now because they are affected by the same smoothening code that affects human-piloted ships.  That is why 1.3 ai ships warp more than they did in 1.2 at lower mwf values.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

shouldnt this be fixed though?

[Commando]

Possibly.  I can't tell if the ai being affected by the smoothening code actually helped reduce ai warping or made it worse.  I think it may have made it worse, but there is no easy test because the ai is affected by the same smoothening code as human ships.  If ai ships were affected by another smoothening code varialbe, that would be nice so the value could be lowered or raised, depending on what helps more.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

how long does it takes to build new engine? :p

anyways i prefered AI warping preaty predicatbly then humans warping all over around you
jumping from infront of you to your ass which is just unbeliable

[Tank]

i dont want this to be a flame so ill try hard,       Loook it cost a massive amount of time to biuld 1,3  we r so lucky to have nathan and ken give it FREE . all u little school kids ,  its mummy and daady's money paying for you're internet and most prob you,re computer too,
1.3 is good thats official the supervets like it, start playing it stop whinning
get over the riddiculas hover(WE ALL CAN DO IT IT's EASY!!!!!!!! ) and thx ken and nathan for their fantastic game and this great mod. and stop being such ungreatful little turds!  Tank  ex  nok ex vnb  played since bz1 online.

[Huscar]

I don't think it is a good idea to bring the whole discussion up again, it just looked like the discussion was taking another turn instead of just 2 sides yelling at each other, it has been so overdone, it should end now, please don't take it as a personal attack, I don't meen to attack you, but I guess the hope I had that this could end is based on nothing.

If someone really wishes to stop this ridiculous discussion don't reply on such posts! It is the only way, if you give hate you will receive hate, so if we all just stopped complaining about the other there would be no problem whatsoever, if you won't play 1.3 there is no reason to flame and insult everybody else and start spamming just to say that, and if you can't stand such things ignore them altogether, I think the board moderators will do a job good enough at removing all of those ingrate posts. If you really want to say something and you don't know a creative way and many ppl seem to share your view start a poll like I suggested before, it will keep the rest of the site clean and might be of some use (maybe unaspected, maybe unseen). Just spamming everybody and get angry (last thing couts for both "sides") because of what seems to me as nothing (why do you have to get angry about yourself not going to play 1.3, and what would you care about others saying that?) to talk about. This discussion has been done far to much and it is time to stop it.

This post was not ment to spam, flame or insult anybody so I hope I didn't do so (and it sin't meant as a personal attack on tank at all). I also hope I made myself clear as I know my Enmglish isn't so good and I also know I can't make myself clear very often in any language.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

i find your post more offensive then tank's
u realy dont know tank

i wanna see one of the vets stand up and shout at tank...
u realy dont know whos talking

[Huscar]

Sorry about that, I'm going to change it right now. I just want to say it doesn't seem a good idea to me bringing up this whole thing again, I'm bored sick of it, not that tank was so offensive adn neither that he did something wrong more than others, I just flipped, sorry.

EDIT: Is it better now? Everything I wanted to say is still in it.

BTW: I can understamd tank completely, I might have said something like it if I wasn't so tired of this whole arguing, it seems so completely childish and it leads only to bad things (hate, splitted comunity and that kind of things). Yes I don't know tank that's true but it's not about him, it's about the general behaviour that almost everybody is showing, sorry tank.