What do you believe in?
http://www.theyear2012.blogspot.com/
That we will line up with the galactic center, and nothing else will happen.
Im not worry about the year of 2012.Everything will be fine.
(From TV's site) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJjQMwEjC1I&feature=player_embedded
Considering how crappy the world is now, and how much crappier the world will be then, although i dont believe it i could see it happening.
I'm worried about the internet thing, but other than that... load of crap.
Crap crap crap crap crappy crapity crap crap.
Sorry... just mimicking the previous 2 posts. :-P
OH NO!! Its the decade and 2 years after the millenium bug that was going to destroy the world!!! AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Hey, if you think it's eerie or foreboding that the Mayan calendar ends with 2012...
MY calendar ends with December of THIS YEAR!!! OMG!!!
Scary, eh?
:roll:
-Av-
(hey, when did "Flying Mauler" get to be a rank?) :)
when you made it awesome Avatar
awesome
N1 made that flying mauler. Its probably that awesome.
Quote from: cheesepuffly on June 14, 2009, 01:07:33 AM
N1 made that flying mauler. Its probably that awesome.
I never made anything. Avatar made it, I just talk about ways it could 'morph' in game.
Which reminds me, Avatar, do you have a unit/model for the flying form and a model for the transformation? If you do I can work on getting it working.
Quote from: Avatar on June 13, 2009, 11:18:48 PM
Hey, if you think it's eerie or foreboding that the Mayan calendar ends with 2012...
MY calendar ends with December of THIS YEAR!!! OMG!!!
Scary, eh?
Agreed, and if they could predict the future they should've predicted the end of their civilisation and stopped the calander there :P
Wait, December 12th?! that'll be 6 days before my 19th birthday...
Oh well, at least we'll fit the London olympics in before the apocalypse.
Oh yes, that reminds me... by 2012, England will be an LEDC.
Please define LEDC, and if its even close to certian things i hope
the world ends sooner.
(unless you dont live in england ((thought you did)) because then
the country bashing joke would be invalid)
Due to the way probability works in an infinite universe, it is now 99.9% recurring a certainty that none of those things listed will occur. :-D
Yes that leaves 0. recurring 0 1 percent chance it does.
Obama is president. (of the U.S.)
Do i need to say anything else?
Quote from: cheesepuffly on June 15, 2009, 10:44:25 PM
Obama is president. (of the U.S.)
Do i need to say anything else?
All THAT means is that either:
1. People bought into the whole "If Obama doesn't wins you are a racist"
2. People believed what Obama was saying would happen overnight.
3. People knew what they were doing.
4. People are stupid as cows. (Applies to 1 & 2, just this is more harsh)
I'm personally HOPING #3 turns out to be the one... cause the others make us look bad. :| (People in general, not just Americans)
Keep hopin' for change. :oops:
I think something might happen but i dont think the world will end. I don't think man can predict that because as you know I am a christian. (plz dont smite, im not evil)
Quote from: Warfreak on June 15, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
3. People knew what they were doing.
BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I know someone from Russia, RUSSIA who knew more about Obama than probably 3/4ths of the people who voted for him.
I hope the people here are in the 1/4 though.
We don't want to turn this into an Obama topic.
It might be a sign of the Apocalypse, who knows, but saying anything against Obama invariably brings out the pro Obama zealots that grow every day he continues his campaign type speeches at the world scale.
Quote from: Nielk1 on June 16, 2009, 04:06:10 AM
We don't want to turn this into an Obama topic.
It might be a sign of the Apocalypse, who knows, but saying anything against Obama invariably brings out the pro Obama zealots that grow every day he continues his campaign type speeches at the world scale.
Hes the anti-christ XD thus having to do with the Apocalypse.
no idea what Obama or the other bloke support, but alll i know is we havent started colonising mars yet, so hes not cool with me :P
I was just stating that the Apocalypse will be caused by the Learning Deprived of the Modern Countries :P
Those can only be found in the U.S.
Quote from: cheesepuffly on June 15, 2009, 09:11:42 PM
Please define LEDC, and if its even close to certian things i hope
the world ends sooner.
LEDC = Less Economically Developed Country.
And you're right - yes, I'm English.
111 down and 1 to go...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
Quoteno idea what Obama or the other bloke support, but alll i know is we havent started colonising mars yet, so hes not cool with me
In order to colonise mars there are a couple of problems we need to solve first. It is very very cold and the air is very thin and of course there is nothing to eat except rocks and dust. The reason manned space exploration is not occurring is because there is nowhere else close by that can support human life, and of course our technology really is not good enough yet. Bush announced it as a plan because he wanted to look cool, but clearly had no idea what he was really talking about.
1.The first thing we need to do is develop a sensible way to get into orbit, rockets work, but they are very expensive, inefficient, polluting and dangerous.
2.Then we need to figure out how to construct a survivable habitat in orbit, human body's simply do not function correctly in 0 gravity.
Once these 2 points have been solved we would be in a position to explore elsewhere, and maybe even survive the experience.
Using our current technology, sending people to Mars would amount to a suicide mission in order to place a flag on some very dull rocks.
One of the oldest political tricks around, is promising something that clearly cannot be delivered (in your term of office). You get to look dead cool for doing it and nobody will blame you when it never actually happens.
Quote from: Red Devil on June 22, 2009, 02:23:50 PM
111 down and 1 to go...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
What does that pertain to?
the end of the world, or at least the catholic church.
Quote from: AHadley on June 22, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
or at least the catholic church.
Which would be the end of the world to catholics.
But not for us apathists.
Quote from: mrtwosheds on June 22, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
In order to colonise mars there are a couple of problems we need to solve first. It is very very cold and the air is very thin and of course there is nothing to eat except rocks and dust. The reason manned space exploration is not occurring is because there is nowhere else close by that can support human life, and of course our technology really is not good enough yet. Bush announced it as a plan because he wanted to look cool, but clearly had no idea what he was really talking about.
1.The first thing we need to do is develop a sensible way to get into orbit, rockets work, but they are very expensive, inefficient, polluting and dangerous.
2.Then we need to figure out how to construct a survivable habitat in orbit, human body's simply do not function correctly in 0 gravity.
Once these 2 points have been solved we would be in a position to explore elsewhere, and maybe even survive the experience.
Using our current technology, sending people to Mars would amount to a suicide mission in order to place a flag on some very dull rocks.
One of the oldest political tricks around, is promising something that clearly cannot be delivered (in your term of office). You get to look dead cool for doing it and nobody will blame you when it never actually happens.
Apparently if you released a load of the right pollution onto mars, the greenhouse effect would cause the surface temperature to increase and melt the polar ice caps (Loads of water), the planet would then have water on its surface and so could theoretically start to sustain plants.
Mars's caps are a mix of WaterIce and DryIce (Solid CO2). Still a valid idea though.
QuoteApparently if you released a load of the right pollution onto mars, the greenhouse effect would cause the surface temperature to increase and melt the polar ice caps (Loads of water), the planet would then have water on its surface and so could theoretically start to sustain plants.
It would probably only take a few thousand years. Given our inability to even agree with each other on looking after our own planet in the immediate future, I see no prospect of this being done by humans, ever. No big (imaginary) profit within one small lifetime = no action.
We like to think we are so clever, but really we have not advanced much at all from bashing each other over the head just to steal our next meal.
You could melt the ice caps releasing water and co2 which is a greenhouse gas and will warm the planet increasing the speed of the melting process.
CO2 itself would not do any warming at all, and with mars' atmosphere it may well just drift into space.
Gravity?
Gravity would hold it partially, but the atmosphere would still be extremely thin.
Mars' gravitational field is too small to hold enough air to support life. With a situation like this, it would all slowly seep out into space.
Life is impossible on Mars. It is just too far away from the sun. Microbes could never form at that temperature.
Mars died due to its magnetic field weakening which allowed the atmosphere to drift away. The reason it weakened was that the liquid inner core slowly cooled and solidified, reducing the electromagnetic flux created by the rotational contact with the solid inner core, as what happens when an iron bar is placed in a coil of wire and electricity is passed through it.
Guess what's happening to our planet...
Quote from: Red Devil on June 28, 2009, 08:17:56 PM
Mars died due to its magnetic field weakening which allowed the atmosphere to drift away. The reason it weakened was that the liquid inner core slowly cooled and solidified, reducing the electromagnetic flux created by the rotational contact with the solid inner core, as what happens when an iron bar is placed in a coil of wire and electricity is passed through it.
Guess what's happening to our planet...
Are entire solar system's shield is still shrinking.
Quote from: bigbadbogie on June 28, 2009, 11:16:19 AM
Life is impossible on Mars. It is just too far away from the sun. Microbes could never form at that temperature.
There will be begining of life form in distant future maybe like 1 billion years from now.That is because the sun grow bigger and more hotter.Outer planets will experince getting springlike season.
um, when that happens it will be too late. :evil:
this is my theory-some guy was chiseling the myan calender, got to 2012 and said to himself "you know, ive chiseled out about 2000 years from now, i want a pay raise or i quit."
Wow. That stuff is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever seen. Seriously, a visit from aliens? What the hell? Come on people, make a better lie.
Actually I thought the "visit from aliens" was probably the most likely one of all of them... :-D
I think the Mayans, like many other people of the time, knew a lot about the movements of the heavens, and based their calender on it. Thus, they ended at at a simple key point in time. That being the alignment. With no city lights, and not even a compass, all you had at night where the stars.
@ the Mayans:
Even more shocking is the calendar I unearthed this morning... hanging on my wall.
It ends at the beginning of NEXT YEAR!!!
I'm already hoarding gas and food in anticipation...
:evil:
Seriously, there's ONLY so much room on that wheel, it had to end at some point... maybe we just haven't found the second wheel! Or the part where he chiseled 'continued on next wheel"...
@ Mars:
The planet COULD be terraformed but it'd be a mix of altering the planet AND altering the people/plants/animals. Humans can live almost anywhere if they set their tiny little minds to it...
:)
-Av-
Yup; I've heard that people actually want to live in places like Detroit and Newark. *shudders*
And in the middle of the Nevada desert too... :S
Are we sure it is "the end of the world"
instead of the "end of their calendar"?
They didn't survive to 2012, obviously, so they must have thought that something must happen.
Quote from: VSMIT on July 06, 2009, 09:41:35 PM
They didn't survive to 2012, obviously, so they must have thought that something must happen.
OH MY GOD. MY COMPUTER ONLY GOES UP TO 12/31/2099!!!
THE WORLD WILL END THEN!
Just because their calender is a wheel everyone gets so confused. It is just like any other number system, it just so happens that when the calender ends is the point where they either A, have to count from zero again, or B, add another wheel or 'digit'
Actually, due to recalculations performed in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus (translation: Denny the Dwarf), *this* is the year 2012:
"However, in 535, a Christian scholar, Dionysius Exiguus, calculated that Jesus was born 538 years earlier, or 3 B.C.E."
http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/year.html
I did not read, but unless he noted something IN THE MAYAN CALENDAR, that is completely irrelevant info. I am getting really pissed off with some of the stupid things I have heard about how the Gregorian calendar changed so it's already 2012 (by this I mean the end of the Mayan calendar not just the year). Utter crap.
The year the Mayan Calendar ends WHEN IT IS CONVERTED TO OUR CURRENT CALENDAR, is 2012. Unless there is a mistake in the reading of the MAYAN calendar, this is the one and only truth.
Here is an example. Lets say 'One Impromtunit' or (IU) is equal to 1 Foot. Many people are saying things like, "it is already 2012", for reasons equal to saying that 1 IU is not 1 Foot because the length of the foot changed with every king although this stopped happening well before the calculation of equivalence was made.
Nope, sorry, you're wrong.
Quote from: Red Devil on July 07, 2009, 03:03:51 AM
Nope, sorry, you're wrong.
Yeah, one liners like that really explain nothing at all.
This whole thing is just an end to a major cycle and a new one begins, as most believe. In any case, start stocking up on Cheetos and Coke and live in the basement... oh wait, some of us already live normally like that.
I can't afford a basement. I am stuck in the greenhouse.
Quote from: Red Devil on July 07, 2009, 12:04:27 AM
Actually, due to recalculations performed in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus (translation: Denny the Dwarf), *this* is the year 2012:
"However, in 535, a Christian scholar, Dionysius Exiguus, calculated that Jesus was born 538 years earlier, or 3 B.C.E."
http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/year.html
maybe they predicted Obama becoming president and ending the world :evil:
After all he could be considered kind of an anti-Christ.
You forgot the ':evil:'
QuoteAfter all he could be considered kind of an anti-Christ.
Your last president was a better contender for that title, But we will just have to wait for the end of Obama's 2nd term too compare their body counts...
Quote from: mrtwosheds on July 10, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
Your last president was a better contender for that title, But we will just have to wait for the end of Obama's 2nd term too compare their body counts...
Bush definitively could not be, and Obama cannot be either. Many hated Bush as swayed by the media (mostly) and many hate the things Obama is doing with the bailouts and continued campaigning. Also, when does Obama suddenly show up in my Firefox Spellchecker? (not yet)
Maybe we should all hate the media instead of any politician.
Both deal in the deception of the masses for profit (of some sort or other) and we should be generally sceptical of anything they emit. But both, of course are also capable of being honest...when it suits them. Reading between their lines is a difficult art and is a skill that generally requires a long memory and a cynical heart. There are some things that "the media" will never discuss or report honestly on and only the most foolish or idealistic politicians would attempt to raise. It is a tragedy for humanity that one of these issues threatens our species long term survival.
If you look at the past the media has been more dishonest than honest though.
why should you use body counts to see who is a bad president? Is FDR going to be considered a horrible president because he was president of WWII? is Truman going to be considered a bad president because of the Korean War? Just because soldiers died in a war doesnt mean the man in charge is a bad person.
Quote from: Clavin12 on July 11, 2009, 02:33:47 PM
Maybe we should all hate the media instead of any politician.
I think thats the smartest thing youve said all year.
Thnx
Quotewhy should you use body counts to see who is a bad president?
QuoteAfter all he could be considered kind of an anti-Christ.
I don't know that an Anti-Christ would actually be a bad president... I would judge his performance as an Anti-Christ by the body count produced under his command.
Always makes me laugh when the apparently devout, use their strange beliefs as a substitute for reasoned argument in the political arena, what better way to remove any lingering respect people may have for them, than by exposing them to the living sewer of lies and deceit that is called politics...
To know what an anti-christ is you have to know what a Christ is.
Quote from: mrtwosheds on July 15, 2009, 05:52:03 PMAlways makes me laugh when the apparently devout, use their strange beliefs as a substitute for reasoned argument in the political arena, what better way to remove any lingering respect people may have for them, than by exposing them to the living sewer of lies and deceit that is called politics...
The "predicted events" of the year 2012 is not a
"political arena" unless you make it political, which people here have obviously achieved just to let more people know what irks them (even though no one else cares...
at all).
QuoteTo know what an anti-christ is you have to know what a Christ is.
Yes! and I am proudly uneducated in such matters and don't quite understand why You describe the new US president in such a way(?) The last one was also called such names, but then he
started at least 2 wars and took decisions that lead directly to the deaths of countlessly large numbers of people, so it seemed justifiable.
Read up about it on these sites if you want to
www.theyear2012.blogspot.com/
www.whatismetaphysics.com/year2012.html
www.exodus2006.com/2012.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
In the year 2012....
Bio-metal shall rain from the skies and thus creating an era of Batttlezone 2, except in reality.
Yea its crap. =P
[Not read anything here because I'm lazy :)]
I hate apocalypse theories.... How many times was the world meant to end in the last century, like, 9?
Some of them are just so dumb.
"Hurrr the calendar ends durrr" - well maybe they couldn't be arsed?
Or maybe the guy making the Mayan calendar suddenly realized;
"hoot, I'm not gonna be here that far in the future, sod this I ain't makin' no calendar if I ain't gonna be there to use it, tha's just dumb."
You know it makes sense, they had one hell of a buffer before they had to start making more.
In summary: Apocalypse theories are for dumbasses.
EDIT after reading a tiny bit:
Christ? What is this you speak of?
Bush was a twat. Period. He was actually retarded. Seriously.
I despise the media, I really really do. They hype everything up to an extent that causes panic (lol, swine flu), make people believe things that aren't true. Not to mention when you see clips of people being gang-raped by a load of journalists. My god if that ever happened to me I'd end up in prison for multiple attempted murder sentences. They never know when to leave things alone (Maddy Mcann for instance) and I could continue but I've gotta go :D
QuoteI despise the media, I really really do. They hype everything up to an extent that causes panic
What do you expect, they are just salesmen after all, It does not matter if its true or not, as long as you buy it, they are only interested in the imaginary value of the paper in your pocket, going into their pocket. The inconvenient fact that their like are destroying the ecology of our world to produce some of their products is of course never reported, and anyone who does speak out about it, will be made to look like a loony.
You madman.
Yes. But unlike everything else in this topic, it happens to be true.
Apocalypse is a fairy tale.In million of years in this planet never gonna happen.They just living in dreams and saw silly things you know what i talking about.
everyone thought the world was going to end in 2000 too... :roll:
I wonder who invented Apocalypse? I think pre early humans sniff on pot plants.They got a really high on drugs. :lol: An example of cheech and chong!
Book of Revelations.
Wrote a huge post on the Unix Epoch earlier, lost it all...
Oh gawd,
I was in the cinema to watch the latest Harry Potter film, and one of the adverts was for a new film thats coming out about the 2012 apocalypse...
If I was making that film, I'd want to release it about a week before the predicted date, just to panic the hell out of everyone :P
Really? I would release it the week after.
The only things that could ever cause a real apocalypse are nuclear war (man made and fairly unlikely), or a massive accident like an asteroid striking the Earth that couldn't be shot down in time (and remember, a comet strike didn't even kill all life on Earth anyway).
Deadly diseases are no real worry because if they really are deadly enough, they will kill their hosts before they can spread the disease far enough to create a pandemic.
Quote from: hybirdisdf on August 12, 2009, 07:13:38 AM
I wonder who invented Apocalypse?
The wankers who wrote the Book of Retardations came up with an amazingly pathetic story to scare the heck out of people, just for the fun of it.
In the upcoming movie, the cause of the apocalypse is the yellowstone park supervolcano erupting. (Incidently, it is slightly overdue an eruption I believe, just to make y'all worried ;))
If real life were anything like G66, it would have already erupted. 10 times in the last hour, actually.
Well, I live in the UK. A volcano eruption can be as big as it wants, I don't think it could cause an apocalypse :P
Quote from: Raven on August 23, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
Well, I live in the UK. A volcano eruption can be as big as it wants, I don't think it could cause an apocalypse :P
Supervolcano actually, and it has been predicted that if it were to erupt the ash and smog would cover
the whole world.
Interestingly though, wind currents would make the UK last to be hit, so we'd have longest to prepare.
Sweeeeet
Where did I leave my space shuttle?
Supervolcanoes only go off once every 600,000 years or something.
Yellowstone National Park and Mt St Helens in America are both supervolcanoes. (Don't hold me to the latter though).
I think that there are other ones in Indonesia and probably South America.
Didn't Mt St Helens go off recently? Or was that just that it was 'due' ?
QuoteSupervolcano actually, and it has been predicted that if it were to erupt the ash and smog would cover the whole world.
yup, i'm afraid of some smog, and possibly an inch of ash lying on my driveway. :-P
You have to remember that "soon" to a geologist is a very very long time to everyone else. Volcanoes are very unpredictable.
Yep, Yellowstone is expected to explode sometime soon... in the next 50,000 years or so. It will be devastating for America, or whatever that continent is called (if at all) by then. As far as the UK is concerned the consequences are very predictable, it will be slightly more dingy and rain even more... :-D
Quote from: Raven on August 23, 2009, 10:29:11 PM
Didn't Mt St Helens go off recently? Or was that just that it was 'due' ?
It's "due" to go off. Hasn't gone off yet.
Quote from: bigbadbogie on August 23, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
Supervolcanoes only go off once every 600,000 years or something.
Yellowstone National Park and Mt St Helens in America are both supervolcanoes. (Don't hold me to the latter though).
I think that there are other ones in Indonesia and probably South America.
How would we know? we live no more than 100 something
still, volcanoes and nature in general are very unpredictable. Yellowstone could go off in two minutes, a day, a year, a decade, a century, who knows? The media had hyped up all of this end of the world stuff solely for world coporations, especially here in America to sell out to the general public to purchase goods to make a profit. People pay good money to see a decent end of the world movie. the movie 2012 is already starting to get a small yet good reputation.
I'm gonna see the movie just for its special effects, they look pretty awesome haha
although i think the general idea of the movie is fairly bland..doomsday theories have been around since the beginning of human history lol.
Theres bucket loads of information on the net about wat could happen on 2012 that arent just doomsday theories, some actually have scientific evidence to back them up which i thought was pretty cool and others are just speculations, just like the doomsday ones.
Guess we'll just have to see if anything happens! I plan to live life pretty fully just incase =P
Everyone will be quite disappointed if nothing happens then (which is more likely than not). But I have noticed that in this forum all of us have sort simply talked the calendar ending thing away. Who knows? maybe the ancient Mayans saw something that we don't or refuse to.
Quotemaybe the ancient Mayans saw something that we don't or refuse to.
Yeah... the still beating hearts of living children as they were cut out of their chests.
The Mayans were completely insane.
Don't heed any of their culture.
They were completely sane, they just had a different set of ethics that we may have trouble understanding. Its actually possible that they got ethics completely the way God(/s) wanted humanity to.
You bin drinkin dude??
And typing that intelligaby? Doubt it.
I'm just saying, why is killing people necessarily wrong? Ethics is just something that humans have come up with.
Well it always seems very wrong when someone's trying to do it to you.
That's because it's in us. It's our nature to kill, but it's also put into us to know that it is wrong.
No it isn't,
What's in our nature is to hurt other people as much as it takes to get to the top of the chain of command.
Quote from: Mr X on August 26, 2009, 06:36:38 PM
No it isn't,
What's in our nature is to hurt other people as much as it takes to get to the top of the chain of command.
Mmmm, not everyone. Its impossible to bang everyone in the same category. There are people out there who don't care and just get on with things, others like you say will go through anything that stands in their way.
I said its in our nature, its in every one of us,
its just that in some people the higher brain overcomes it.
And as for the mayans, if you thought that killing one person would please the gods and prevent hundreds from dying of starvation, would you do it?
and you also have to consider that this is a completely different culture who, if they saw how say the Chinese acted would be horrified as they would believe that they were disrespecting ththe mayan gods. since the mayans were untouched by the evolving people of europe and asia, they decided that human sacrifice was the best way to please the their gods.
And being as no religion has ever been proven, they could have gotten it right...
Isn't it strange that almost all these kind of topics come back to religion?
I'm not commenting on that, I'll offend someone.
well, being as it is hard to talk about another culture of any belief without refering to the religion of the area
Religion is the basis of a society so. I mean, it is not always the basis, but what becomes the belief system is then the religion by definition, and thus all societies have a religion. The lack of religion is a religion in the sense I am speaking.
Society determines one's morals. (A few things do, I use the struggle between different morals (personal, society, and law) as a key internal issue in aRc.)
Morals determine laws.
Morals and laws how one acts and reacts.
And so on and so on. It will eventually fall back thus far to religion if you wish to do so.
Quote from: Nielk1 on August 27, 2009, 04:40:52 AM
Religion is the basis of a society so. I mean, it is not always the basis, but what becomes the belief system is then the religion by definition, and thus all societies have a religion. The lack of religion is a religion in the sense I am speaking.
I'd... Rather not refer to the fact that I don't believe in a religion as a religion in itself. That word makes me feel dirty. :lol:
I prefer faith, but it doesn't matter what you call it.
All human society's/cultures/tribes etc have extelligence, a communal intelligence, knowledge that grows as that society grows. Each society's extelligence develops a unique identity, Religion is a part of that, it is encrypted so it can be used to identify members of that society to each other and to identify outsiders, by their lack of comprehension of it...By definition It must be wrong, a religion that was correct would be useless, anyone with a bit of common sense could infiltrate a tribe if their religion was based on common sense.
So the moon is made of cheese, its was given to man by a giant star goat, who will one day return to graze on the souls of the lost, with its children... and anyone who cannot name those child star goats is not one of us!
Its all a bit of very useful and harmless fun, until it goes wrong, and becomes more than a story that is taught to the tribes children, when it becomes The Reason to invade and murder the tribe on the other side of the mountain.
I agree with mrtwosheds in that every society has its own way of thinking. Each different religion gives insight as to how a culture works. the main monotheistic religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all abide by rules set down by their own "last prophet" in each religion's holy book,[Bible, Torah, Quarn.] the rules in these books, such as Jews being Kosher affects how the society works. the main eastern religions, Buddism and Hinduism are centered more towards a spiritual way off thinking, this affects the country's who follow this religion in a more political sense.
Its only really struck me lately just how embedded into modern society religion is,
Even the word goodbye is short for "God be with ye"
America is even more religious than we are in Britain though.
Presidents speeches always seem to include "God Bless America", if you said something like that here in Britain you be shot down as a racist.
And on American money it says "In God we trust" (Whereas we've done the complete opposite and put a picture of Charles Darwin on ours :P)
you'd only be shot down as a rasict because our government is so pathetically weak.
agreed
I disagree, I'm a complete agnostic, and I'm glad I live in a system where religion is not being pushed on me from left right and centre.
But this seems to have turned around and is pushing Christianity out.
QuoteBut this seems to have turned around and is pushing Christianity out.
It is not being pushed out, it is just failing to adapt to what people understand and need from a religion, In some places it seems to be responding to this by resorting to an even more extremist viewpoint, Just as Islam is. We are fortunate that its core message is supposed to be one of peace and goodwill, although history shows us that this has not always been so.
Quote from: mrtwosheds on August 29, 2009, 01:14:32 AMWe are fortunate that its core message is supposed to be one of peace and goodwill, although history shows us that this has not always been so.
That is completely false: Where has history shown us that the
core message of Christianity has not been one of peace and goodwill?
The Crusades, for one. The Spanish Inquisition, for another. The Spanish "conversion" of the New World, for a third. Shall I go on?
Quote from: VSMIT on August 29, 2009, 07:48:37 AM
The Crusades, for one. The Spanish Inquisition, for another. The Spanish "conversion" of the New World, for a third. Shall I go on?
None of those were the
core message of Christianity.
I bolded that for a reason.
Quote from: sabrebattletank on August 29, 2009, 07:05:01 AM
That is completely false: Where has history shown us that the core message of Christianity has not been one of peace and goodwill?
What about the IRA? Or the KKK?
You can't disregard everything as not being the 'core message' of Christianity. I couldn't care less, but blindly disregarding VERY relevant points because it isn't the 'core message' is downright ignorant. Like most religions. Fingers in your ears yelling "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU." Infantile I believe is the word.
If those reasons weren't enough then I wouldn't even bother giving more if its going to be shot down that easily, no, they may not exactly be 'taught' by the religion, but they sure as hell span off from it.
The UK is going in the crapper, and fast. I can't stand this politically correct bullcrap and its only going to get worse.
But yes, I'm glad nothing is being pressed on me aside from not being able to fly St George's cross on St George's day, incase I offend a bloody Muslim. Nevermind that when Diwali comes around, my city is lit up more than it i s at freaking christmas. THAT offends ME, but nobody gives a damn. No, I'm not joking its actually that bad.
As for 'goodbye' being short for 'god bless ye' are you serious? I'd have said it meant 'safe travels' or similar: 'good bye' > 'good leave' > 'safe travel' etc.
The reason for that is everyone is afraid of speaking up because they want to be liked by everyone. It is this pointless fear that is causing the world to creep to a standstill and then hit reverse both culturly and is causing eache region of the world to become less diverse than the other.
The IRA, the Crusades, and the Inquisition were corruptions of Christian ideas. It is precisely because the core message has stayed the same that we are able to recognize those examples as not true to Christian values.
Well, are you saying that the Crusades IS a "core message" of Christianity?
Just because I didn't post the reasons doesn't mean I'm "blindly disregarding" them. It just means I haven't told you guys yet. :p
These are tired subjects, but I'll jaunx down a few links for you.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
"The idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes." [Emphasis added]
Ok, "only" four hundred years is a long time. But look at when the idea came about: roughly nine hundred years after the start of the Church. (You can call the Catholic Church starting at several different time periods, maybe when Jesus told Peter "On this rock I will build my Church," or around 312 when Constantine had a vision directing him to put crosses on his soldiers' shields in a battle, for example.)
The "core messages" of The Way were long established by then.
Also, the KKK was persecuting Catholics -- surely self-persecution does not count as "peace and goodwill/"
Thats not the point SBT, the point is that those things were caused by Christianity, intentionally or not. Corrupted or not, Christian ideas were the basis.
Quote from: Raven on August 29, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
As for 'goodbye' being short for 'god bless ye' are you serious?
I'm being 100% serious. ;) It is short for "God be with ye"
If it wasn't for Christianity, people would be committing atrocities in the name of some other imaginary omnipotent being. It's not the mythology that's to blame, it's the humans that make it up to justify their savagery.
I think I may have been missunderstood, I was not implying that the core message of Christianity has ever been anything other than what it is. My own Nation took its message of peace and goodwill around the world, It invaded, murdered, enslaved, stole and oppressed in order to do that... apparently. Or that was the reason used to justify those actions that built the empire by force and theft.
I agree with Jesus! And if I had a pound for every Christian I had met who lived by his teachings I would still be a poor man! Because his vision is impossible for humans to actually live out, we cannot be angels, demons we can do...
Quote from: Mr X on August 29, 2009, 05:38:12 PM
Thats not the point SBT, the point is that those things were caused by Christianity, intentionally or not. Corrupted or not, Christian ideas were the basis.
It's my point -- that every action members of the Church take should not be taken as the "core message" of Christianity.
Saying the IRA represents the "core message" of Christianity is like saying that al-Queda represents the core message of Islam. It's just wrong.
Anyway, I'm off this topic now.
Yay college!
Everyone, even non-Christians, should read Revelation, the last book in the Bible. It is VERY interesting when you form the symbolism to the modern world and find that many of the things described in there are happening or starting to happen.
Careful, though, some people can't handle the intense use of symbolism.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV
Revelation was written about the Romans
Funny that we can find ways to apply it to every dark time in history however.
Yup.
Well it's very easy to do so. If i were to day a large number of people were going to die in the future, chances are that its going to happen. Just because someone says that it will happen does not mean that when a similar event happens, i fore casted the end of the world.[though that would be coll if i could.]
Quote from: sabrebattletank on September 06, 2009, 09:16:59 PM
Revelation was written about the Romans
That's one of many, MANY views, however when it talks about a third of humanity being killed something tells me it's not just the Romans...
It's about the end of the world and the second coming of Christ. It uses huge amounts of symbolism and no one really knows who or what wile deliver it. It's not that hard to decipher the symbolism if you know your history and bible, but they don't name names they just telll you what kind of person or country is going to be the anti-Christ or the beast that comes up out of the sea.
it really is impossible to fore cast a specific end to the world because the world could end so many different ways. Nuclear Holocaust, meteor strike, gamma ray burst, just to name a few.
Or a deity ignored and forgotten for many years shows himself and separates the faithful from the unfaithful throwing the unfaithful into eternal damnation and giving the faithful a new, pure earth.
Quote from: iron maiden on September 07, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
it really is impossible to fore cast a specific end to the world because the world could end so many different ways. Nuclear Holocaust, meteor strike, gamma ray burst, just to name a few.
Robots, The Matrix, conversion into a quantum state so thus nothing can be established by observation (the observers are in said state too) so everything just ceases to exist.
Gamma ray bursts happen at least once a day and last for a few seconds then die down. They don't cause much harm unless one hits you squarely in the genetics or something.
Beta radiation is most damaging. More so than alpha and gamma anyways, I haven't started the advanced physics course so there may be others that I don't know about.
Gamma radiation is by far the most damaging. Beta radiation can be stopped by aluminum foil while gamma takes several inches of lead. Look it up.
Ah, but gamma radiation for the most part passes straight through human flesh, and can only cause damage if it 'hits you squarely in the genetics' as you so eloquently put it. Beta radiation is entirely absorbed by the human body. 'Tis GCSE Physics. (TAKS to you?)
How damaging it is depends on where it is in relation to you,
if it starts iff inside you alpha is the worst as it all gets absorbed by your body, whereas gamma would pass through,
likewise from the outside gamma and beta are more damaging.
Except that beta particles are stopped by stuff like clothes or your skin.
From the outside gamma is the most damaging because it penetrates straight through you. Gamma bursts are from very very far away and thus are a lot less dangerous than they would be up close.
Lets make it simple:
Too much of any radiation is dangerous. They're dangerous in their own ways, but they all usually end up making you sick.
what your forgetting is that burst's of radiation like that do damage to the ozone layer which results in uvb rays from the sun to penetrate the earth through the holes caused by the damage. not to mention that a weakened ozone results in a slightly weaker atmosphere which makes meteors tougher to burn up upon entry.
Ultraviolet light is highly unlikely to cause radiation sickness / poisoning.
Quote from: Feared_1 on September 08, 2009, 08:29:32 PM
Lets make it simple:
Too much of any radiation is dangerous. They're dangerous in their own ways, but they all usually end up making you sick.
:-D
Um...
Alpha radiation travels a matter of centimetres, and is blocked by the skin. Its a comparatively large particle consisting of two protons and 2 neutrons, with a positive charge. It can be stopped by most substances (its used in smoke alarms, the smoke blocks the particle from hitting the detector = alarm sounds.) Although externally it poses practically no threat, if an emitter finds its way inside your body, and the radiation ionises from it, serious damage can occur to organ tissues. The lungs is a favourite.
Beta radiation can indeed be stopped by foil, it travels a bit farther than alpha, some instances up to several feet. Its a fast moving electron and can get itself a few millimeters into your skin. Again, poses a hazard if a source of the radiation is inside your body but doesn't have the 'rape factor' that alpha has.
Gamma passes straight through your body. It isn't a particle, its a photon and acts as a wave (wave-particle duality ftw.) However, as it passes through your body, it does quite a bit of damage due to its high energy and frequency, which is what enables it to travel pretty big distances.
Come on folks I did this crap years ago! :P
All radiation is bad under the right conditions and quantities.
What i'd like to know is how to reverse nuclear decay (which causes radiation).
Quote from: Nielk1 on September 07, 2009, 05:41:16 PM
Robots, The Matrix, conversion into a quantum state so thus nothing can be established by observation (the observers are in said state too) so everything just ceases to exist.
Oh, I forgot! Daleks an Cybermen.
Nah. Just Daleks. They kicked the Cybermen's metallic asses.
Only coz they cheated with those shields.
TwoSheds would disagree.
Oh! or this by this band: http://www.myspace.com/letsmaketragedyhappen
Metal BeeGees?! What the hell?!