Wobble kill and hover killing in 1.3

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

I do it, you do it, everyone does it.

And this is where you are wrong.

Also, how come you demand that people are polite to GSH when he is not to them? GSH is the cause of most of the flaming. His harsh blunt 'manner' is bad, but its indirect/direct insults and total disreguard for people who disagree with him that causes the flaming. us 'vets' do not WANT flaming.

The idea that we are all ment to bow down and take his word on anything at all whilst he quite litterally spits on us is totally hypocyritical and unacceptable.

And, incase you *still * have not gathered, i dont like flying.

[Element]

Scions have no such weakness, which is just another reason to pick them instead of ISDF.

I dont think thats entirely true because you can hide under the lung of a spire and not get hit which is a weakness. But its the same as ISDF a turret fixes the problem right away.

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

All that kind of stuff has been adressed in FE.

[DarkFox]

Spires certainly don't have the weakness as much as ISDF towers do, even when wobble is addressed. The best balance approach is fix towers so that they are not useless (make them filter out a good few enemy units), but keep their weakness since they are only 50 scrap to replace, rather than 75, and do far more damage than spires.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

or just use the ZST gurdiens  

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

In combination with 1.3 physics? that would just be far far to harsh. One would end up with pure turret wars.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

[Red Devil]

I don't demand anything.  I can't.  It's just advice from someone who cares about BZ and his friends is all.  What you choose to do is your choice.

You really just don't know the guy. I see offense being taken by some from what he says sometimes where I - and a lot of others - do not see any intended whatsoever.  It's just a case of being overly sensitive from what I can see.  So, your feelings got hurt because you interpreted what he said as rude/being insensitive?  Tough.  Want to *really* see how bad you've got it?  Take a trip to the local cancer ward and see the little kids there.  Or the ones with no legs or parents due to a drunk driver.  There's so much whining going on from people who have no right whatsoever.

Cripes, the guy works horrendus, mind-numbing hours on pressure-fillled projects and then goes home and works for free for our benefit, so even if he does get a little impatient or short-tempered, couldn't you understand that?  Even just a little?  If not, try doing what he does sometime and then we'll talk.

To tell you the truth, if it were me instead of Nathan, people would beg to have Nathan back after I got done with them.  I wouldn't be *nearly* half as nice as Nathan has been.  Me or Tigger.  We'd just tell anyone who gave us crap to sod off - and like it.

Guys, we're all going to *die*.  Maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe 50 years from now.  Why spend it bewailing perceived emotional injuries which are only superficial and virtual at worst?

Nobody really cares about your feelings or my feelings.  Time to accept it and get used to it.

I do it, you do it, everyone does it.

And this is where you are wrong.

Also, how come you demand that people are polite to GSH when he is not to them? GSH is the cause of most of the flaming. His harsh blunt 'manner' is bad, but its indirect/direct insults and total disreguard for people who disagree with him that causes the flaming. us 'vets' do not WANT flaming.

The idea that we are all ment to bow down and take his word on anything at all whilst he quite litterally spits on us is totally hypocyritical and unacceptable.

And, incase you *still * have not gathered, i dont like flying.

[Red Devil]

DF, I gotta hand it to you: You really know the tools you work with and know how to use them.  I also understand where you're coming from about the necessity of having the defaults balanced. There's gotta be a level playing field to start with.

To me, there should be two steps to the patch:  One to fix the bugs in the code and one to balance and tweak the units.  Once the bugs are declared gone, you guys go to work on the balance issues. That way, Nathan and Ken don't get dragged into balance/physics issues and you are free to perform your balancing magic.  Just a random thought I had, but thought I'd put it out there anyways.

Spires certainly don't have the weakness as much as ISDF towers do, even when wobble is addressed. The best balance approach is fix towers so that they are not useless (make them filter out a good few enemy units), but keep their weakness since they are only 50 scrap to replace, rather than 75, and do far more damage than spires.

[Jwk the Hemp Monkey]

Oh that does it Red Devil. Your self-righteous

I see offense being taken by some from what he says sometimes where I - and a lot of others - do not see any intended whatsoever.

Thats because you are biased and quite frankly bigoted towards supporting GSH's 'right' to be insulting. It is totally unacceptable.

So, your feelings got hurt because you interpreted what he said as rude/being insensitive? Tough.

Tough?! Bloody Tough?! Who the hell do you think you are? Its not 'tough' that we have to deal with his rudeness and wordgames and little snide remarks. Its Totally unacceptable. You dont seem to understand this concept.

Que: Total bullhoot. This one REALLY pissed me off.

Take a trip to the local cancer ward and see the little kids there. Or the ones with no legs or parents due to a drunk driver. There's so much whining going on from people who have no right whatsoever.

Oh you complete PRICK. I WORK in an N.H.S. Hospital. How DARE you use exmaples of those brave people to somehow mean that a community in a *game* is ment to take some insults from some random *programmer*. Your self righteous bigoted nature... oh GOd i cannot evne TYPE how ANGRY i am at..ARGH!!!!!
You ... SMall Minded narrow CHILD. My dad is in hospital for a disease that has been making him very ill for seven years. And he has not ever be rude to ANYONE in his entire Life!

Cripes, the guy works horrendus, mind-numbing hours on pressure-fillled projects and then goes home and works for free for our benefit, so even if he does get a little impatient or short-tempered, couldn't you understand that? Even just a little? If not, try doing what he does sometime and then we'll talk.

Big deal, he works hard. doesnt give him the right to insult other people. Directly or indirectly or WHATEVER.

To tell you the truth, if it were me instead of Nathan, people would beg to have Nathan back after I got done with them. I wouldn't be *nearly* half as nice as Nathan has been. Me or Tigger. We'd just tell anyone who gave us crap to sod off - and like it.

Quite obviously you are not me.

Nobody really cares about your feelings or my feelings. Time to accept it and get used to it.

Pah, weakling.

To me, there should be two steps to the patch: One to fix the bugs in the code and one to balance and tweak the units. Once the bugs are declared gone, you guys go to work on the balance issues.

Oh right, but when we ask him to inculde the abilty to mod and rebalence and such, we are told that we should ask for 'blank checks of his time'.
Utter Hypocracy.

Edit: you should be banned from the fourms for two weeks for that comment about ill people. You.....you...Thats it. I am going away to calm down. Narrow minded Prick.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

relax jwk, ur flamming more then me now =)

[Huscar]

If you would still be a moderator and sb. else would have posted it, how would you have edited it? I think that it would be the first time you'd delete an entire message.

My dad is in hospital for a disease that has been making him very ill for seven years. And he has not ever be rude to ANYONE in his entire Life!

Before posting make sure sb else reads what he wrote, because you are saying exactly the same!
Your dad isn't rude while all those guys around here ARE ever though they have much less probs, some ridiculous "I want it!" things. Get the point?

[Avatar]

If I may point out something here:

Oh that does it Red Devil. Your self-righteous
Que: Total bullhoot. This one REALLY pissed me off.
Oh you complete PRICK.
Your self righteous bigoted nature... oh GOd i cannot evne TYPE how ANGRY i am at..ARGH!!!!!
You ... SMall Minded narrow CHILD.
Pah, weakling.
You.....you...Thats it. I am going away to calm down. Narrow minded Prick.

Obviously you became very upset with RD's comments, JWK.  I've never seen you so emotional or so upset.  

I do believe RD should apologize for the cancer comparison, it seems like comparing a firecracker to a nuclear bomb, but I think I see what he was saying and why he used such a hugely unfair comparison.  He was trying to hammer home the point that it's silly to take such offense with Nathan compared with all the other ills in the world.  While I share that feeling I think it could have been expressed better.


Still.... to continue my editing rampage:

Cripes, the guy works horrendus, mind-numbing hours on pressure-fillled projects and then goes home and works for free for our benefit, so even if he does get a little impatient or short-tempered, couldn't you understand that? Even just a little? If not, try doing what he does sometime and then we'll talk.

Big deal, he works hard. doesnt give him the right to insult other people. Directly or indirectly or WHATEVER.

Apparently, though, strong feelings gives you the right to insult RD.  Tit for tat?  Eye for an eye?  Do unto others?  Seems it's ok to be rude and insulting given good cause.

This is my point.  We all have our triggers.  We all have something that sets us off, especially given how vague the Internet and forumtalk can be and the lack of emotional context in most messages.  

It's hard to get our meaning across sometimes, in the right way, or to find the right words to spell out our feelings.  Text is just too bland for that...  That's why these little guys  were invented...

Anyway, I too seem biased towards accepting what Nathan says as 'not rude' because I don't try to read emotions into his messages.  In fact, I get the feeling he's pretty cold when he's typing.  I've seen only a few messages of his that struck me as being done under strong emotions.  He's usually blunt and to the point, more like a cold, computer system error message than an impassioned, emotional message from an upset person.

I seriously think Nathan's been overly tolerant of this forum, and I do know that if I'd received the same crap he has after donating so much time and effort that I'd have been long gone, and to hell with this game and this group.  I think it's amazing that he's still around, actually.

Anyway, none of this is intended to flame anyone, just to point out that we all have our weaknesses and that tolerance is always better than getting all worked up over such little things.  Then again, we all have our own definitions of 'little things' as well.

-Av-

[Huscar]

If the world ever unites under one nation Avatar should rule that nation.

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

nathan being cold - strightforward and stomping people on the way...

and thats being rude and some of you people let him walk on you as if he was your king...

lets say i was nathan (lol) i wouldnt have got so much crap complains... i would've listen to people and explain, not just tell em "i know how you feel but i dont care" and like everything in life, i might not like but ill do some stuff anyways (e.g... lets say i hate hover, but it seems the majority (if want not all) wants a hover switch - i would've made it even if i hate the fact that players will still hover)