I recently upgraded my video card to an nVidia 9600GT, and ever since, I can play BZ2 for all of about 5 minutes in game before everything 3D disappears and all the menus go transparent except for a few outlines.
Seemingly the only way to repair this while in game is to go into Shift-F9 mode, exit, then go back to full screen. Of course that still leaves a problem when Im in a normal game without the edit mode, in which I have to ctrl+alt+delete out of the game because I cant see the menus.
Anyone experience this problem/have a fix?
PS, It also seems to happen a lot more on the maps with larger flat areas, like Firestorm and my custom desert map.
(Image coming soon)
EDIT: The following is the basic solution for this problem, found through posts and testing.
SOLUTION/WORKAROUND:
Versions 1.3 Public Beta 4a and lower:
-If you cannot find earlier drivers for your card that work, setting Sky detail to [LOW] or [NONE] pretty much kills the problem.
-If your text disappears during the occurrence of the issue, put /noDXT into your commandline when you start up.
OPTION B
- Update Battlezone to 1.3 TechAlpha 5, the port to DirectX 9 fixes this bug in its entirety.
Nope. No problems here. But I have a 8800 GTS 640MB.
Thanks for upgrading and posting your experience though. Now I'm definitely not going to upgrade any time soon :lol:.
I recommend going into your video card settings and set a custom profile for BZII. Disable features one by one until the problem is fixed (hopefully). That's the best I can recommend.
Ok, pics taken.
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Note that some things still show, while the rest do not....strange error. The card is not OCd in any way, the control panel is set to have everything Application Controlled, and I dont know what's going on...
Also, while alt+tabbing to get these, I ran into a Fatal Error. "Uhoh, Repeatedly failed to call BeginScene. Possibly a graphics error. Exiting"
Remember that this is a relatively new chipset, and the drivers may not be bug free yet.
TOO gives good advice, but I would do it in reverse: do it like an ODF. Disable each feature, then enable one by one to find out what the issue is.
VSMIT.
I turned EVERYTHING I could onto the off/lowest position in the console, the problem still occurs.
Keep in mind that I am doing this all externally, since Im not sure if theres anything in BZ2 I can change to fix it, although I have not experienced ANY similar problems whatsoever on ANY other game (including GZDoom, a port for the very old Doom series)
UPDATE: The /nodxt flag on the shortcut I just tried works basically as a half-fix. It worked to somewhat bring back some things during the crapout, namely Text, also, my 3D cockpit flickers in and out with it on, instead of going away completely...
Particle TGAs are still there during the crapout, and dont change even if I turn /nodxt off.
The ground is still gone, but my menus are partially back, the text is there, along with the outlines, but the backgrounds are not back...
Im getting somewhere, anyone have any other debug things similar to /nodxt?
it seems like it could be a texture read error - i have very limited knowledge of computers but i would recommend you roll back your drivers if you updated them - and if that doesnt work, pray!! :-P
Avatar had some problems w/ the most recent nVidia drivers a few months back, if I recall correctly. Going back to an older version fixed things for him.
Both ATI and nVidia seem to be trying to kill off DX6 support at some point, or at least neglect it from their testing plans. If you file bug reports with them, that may provide more votes for them to at least test things on their end.
-- GSH
Exactly so, it was like a memory leak in that after a certain, random time the game would stutter to a stop. The 6.14.0011.6375 set was the latest I could find that didn't cause this.
There are numerous complaints on other game forums about this, that the newer chipsets are forgoing support for earlier DX builds.
I hate to say it but it's almost getting to the point where you need to keep an older system running to play games more than a few years old. I already keep a 98SE machine running for BZ1, now I'll have my XP system sitting around for years to keep BZ2 going... :)
-Av-
I guess I'll have to think twice regarding purchasing a Nvidia 8900 GTX or an ATI 3870 GX2 :(. I'm in the process of building a new system and it will suck if I have to purchase an older video card just to get bz2 to run.
My 8800GTS (640MB) works just fine at home. I know I'm not using the latest drivers, though.
The more people register problems at the source of these problems -- the driver makers -- the more chance there'll be a fix. http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=86516 (http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=86516) claims new beta drivers were released yesterday, with "numerous game and application compatibility fixes." I'm not going to play driver roulette just for kicks, though.
-- GSH
Are you sure that isn't an April fools joke? I know some of the comments had to have been jokes.
Seems legit to me. If I go to http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us) , select GeForce 8 Series (which is what I've got at home, work is less than that), and hit search, it shows 174.74 drivers, March 27, 2008.
Things like http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/ (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/) ("Has sound" :) ) is an April Fools post.
-- GSH
A few months ago i made the mistake of installing an nvidia update for my video cards from microsoft update & that broken my ability to even play any 3d game until i rolled back to the previous version.
I got my BZ2 working again, do not recall how (this was after my hoard of driver fiddling, but I did not do anything that should have made it start working, but it did...), still using the ancient old drivers though as the new ones still have problems in some other games.
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just got around to trying the original drivers that came on the disk (The oldest I could find at all), no dice, problem still occurs.
Im still waiting on an answer for my other question, what are the other graphical troubleshooting command line switches besides /nodxt?
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Im still waiting on an answer for my other question, what are the other graphical troubleshooting command line switches besides /nodxt?
Why not look at the 'Readme13.rtf', in the same directory as bzone.exe. There's not much in the way of things to try, only -nolights, -noparticles, maybe also -noxmm.
-- GSH
Quote from: GSH on April 01, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
Things like http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/ (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/) ("Has sound" :) ) is an April Fools post.
-- GSH
LOL... and I could even play that... on a real 2600 to boot...
"Lush 2D environments"... :lol:
-Av-
Try going into the utilities (if any) for that card and see if there's a "Support DXT textures" switch.
Try the Omega nVidia drivers.
Thanks for the good idea RD, trying Omegas, lets hope it IS a driver thing and not a hardware thing.
As I've said at least three times this thread, it's almost certainly nVidia's drivers fault. Please go complain to them. That's the only thing that'll get things handled.
-- GSH
Quote from: Dx on April 01, 2008, 12:12:40 PM
A few people had that problem in bz1.
ATI's HD cards droped all support for dx5 but dx6 games like bz2 still worked. Talking to ATI tech support was useless sense they refused to pass on the info to their driver development team.
Has bz2 had any nvidia/zbuffer issues?
I have to agree with DX on this one. I also had HD3870 and ATI droped http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=6927 (http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=6927) the entire legacy supports on there DX10 cards. Not just BZ1 but a pretty much all DX5-7 games no longer work on HD cards. So I dumped it got myself X1950Pro and my entire games collection work fine now. Unfortunately NVIDIA is just as bad; there own forums are packed with complaints regarding old games support. Sadly none of them: ATI or NVIDIA give a damn about old game support.
Old game support counts for *zero* in the reviews at all the usual newssites. Only whether you play game of the month 1.2 fps faster, or 1.3. Maybe complaints need to be directed at ATI, nVidia, and whatever review sites you read.
-- GSH
Quote from: GSH on April 04, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
Old game support counts for *zero* in the reviews at all the usual newssites. Only whether you play game of the month 1.2 fps faster, or 1.3. Maybe complaints need to be directed at ATI, nVidia, and whatever review sites you read.
-- GSH
Please believe me, I had to argue for over a year with NVIDIA corporate office regarding old game support; they simply do not care about your "OLD" games. NVIDIA refused to acknowledge the problem with there drivers, instead they blame game developers for there own mistakes. Heck, they even refused to fix the bug that was causing problem with QuickTime. http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=37997 I know, because many of us had directly contacted ATI and NVIDIA and the only thing you get from them is "Oh well the game is too old anyway, not our fault, game developer made a mistake and they should fix it", or some other nonsense like that... The only thing they care is +.2FPS in Crysis or whatever.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=34842&st=0
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=9382
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=35500
BTW, what happened to these forums? What happened to the BZ1? :?
Tech support for old products. Yeah, pretty rare, as most companies only go forward and focus on the bottomline. You know that's the case when you try to find some really dated material you need (such as specs for a really old hard drive, old software drivers, or something) on the manufacturer's website, leading you pretty much to nowhere and then having to rely on 'Google', heh. So, you either have to wait a little longer for a positive response directly from the company or luckily find some hacker/modder who's found a half-decent or brilliant solution, such as figuring out their software drivers. Of course, as that person, be careful to tread lightly and try not to infringe on that company's IP. As an example, that reminds me of Daniel K and his recent fiasco with Creative Labs. Although that example is moreso about future products, it is similar here as far as "customer support". See this thread for further info. (http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=116332) I'm sure some of you have already heard about it.
After all this, I wonder if a 9600 is still worth a purchase. Perhaps nVidia will bring back antique support in future revisions. My latest video card is still a Geforce Ti-4600, so I've got nothing to worry about. :-P
Quote from: Member on April 04, 2008, 05:18:59 PMBTW, what happened to these forums? What happened to the BZ1? :?
Check the News section of the forum. A lot of stuff have been cut down.
Steeveeo traded someone (and used money to equalize the value) to downgrade to an 8800 (though he said something about it being an upgrade) and now he has BZ2 working for all but a few sky domes, which he remedies by putting the sky detail on low for those maps.
What he said :P
Someone = My Dad
8800 = GT
Drivers = Still cant find the ones Av said worked.
Quote from: Avatar on April 01, 2008, 10:02:52 AM
6.14.0011.6375
Ok, for some reason, I cannot find those drivers, even using google (probably doing it wrong)...
Anyone got a link to this particular driver version? This is starting to really tick me off, especially because I cant play the new XMOD and I cant stand it long enough to do any serious modding...
There are different versions for different cards, look for one around the same date if you can find the driver. Try looking for other people having the same problem through google.
BTW, when I switched for the 8800GT, it had the exact same driver version as the 9600GT, therefore still causing a problem, so does anybody know where to find ALL the 8800GT drivers instead of only the latest ones that cause problems?
[url] http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us[url] finds plenty. Just set Product Series to GeForce8 Series, and then select 8600. And, for Recommended/Beta, select 'All'.
-- GSH
I did that, and the earliest driver I could find on there still causes the problem, and is only from October (is that when the 8800GT came out?)
I thought NVidia used a 'universal' driver version for all cards like ATI does...
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ATI hasn't been universal in a while. They have different downloads for the 9200 vs x1300 vs others.
Frankly, after reading Linus Torvalds's comments (yes, that Torvalds) about video drivers, I'm willing to cut them a smidgen of slack: http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&id=88678&threadid=88676&roomid=2 (http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&id=88678&threadid=88676&roomid=2) .
-- GSH
"purty graphics is going to hide the
fact that we're still the same pig underneath"
:lol:
@Steeveeo
If you are looking for older drivers then look at http://downloads.guru3d.com/ (http://downloads.guru3d.com/) they have old as well as new drivers.
Hope that helps.
Don't know about 9200, but my 9700Pro and my X1950XTX use the same driver version when installed from the same universal catalyst...
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I just got a 9800 GTX so I'll see if I get the same issue when I get my new rig up tomorrow.
I gave bz2 a try with the 9800 GTX. At first it works just fine, then after a few minutes, the framerates drop below 10 fps. At about the same time, the terrain disappears.
Ok, so we both got the same problem, I cant find any really early drivers that will install on Guru3D, mainly because none of the links say the card/series they are for, so I got "Could not find drivers compatible with your hardware, setup will now close" errors every time, so I went back to the latest Omega drivers for the sake of keeping at least some of my games running...
im sticking with an 8800gts until someone finds out how to fix this
im using a geForce 7600 LE... and i downloaded the very latest driver...
its works perfectly for me. vista system if that makes a difference
I'm on XP with the 9800 GTX. Works fine at first, but after several minutes, it will start acting up badly.
Does it still act badly if there are no vehicles/terrain that the player can see? Mine would also lock the screen up after so long (though game would keep running) and give a direct draw out of memory error until I rebooted.
When I was using the newest nvidia drivers (169.21) I had the same problem, but when I switched to 163.75 it worked perfectly.
I think I could see vehicles, but I couldn't see the terrain.
Quote from: Spawn on April 19, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
but when I switched to 163.75 it worked perfectly.
The frik, that version gives a "Could not find compatible hardware" error too!
Well, I've found a workaround.
You have to set sky detail to [LOW], and make sure it stays there (if you're editing, once you leave the editor the full sky likes to kick back on). This pretty much kills the error for now, as I do not experience it when it is set to low.
So, until nVidia decides to stop being ignorant, or GSH finds the time and the will to update the engine (even though he generously spends it all hammering out the kinks in PB4 as-is), us with the modern nVidia cards will have to bear not having a full skydome, so much for space mods :(
or.. keep a lower rate video card :D
what a nightmare.. nothing to do with DXT's is it? ive heard PB4 is a little better for selecting the right card.
All modern cards (heck, virtually any DX7 card!) do DXT just fine. That's not the issue here. Modern graphics card driver support (aka buggy support) for DX6 is the issue.
-- GSH
New drivers just posted -- see http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14737 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14737) . Haven't bothered trying them.
-- GSH
No luck. The latest drivers still have the same issue. Complete texture failure along with less than 10 fps forcing a shutdown.
No problems with mine gf9800gtx
(more abaut my hardware( http://bz2.freeforums.org/new-hardware-time-t101.html
Game runing smooth and great.
Today i download 175.16_geforce_winxp_32bit_international_whql.exe
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/175.16/175.16_geforce_winxp_32bit_english_whql.exe
Stick to whql, coz whql is no beta and all issues are fixed in,:whql
After instaling new drivers allways reinstall directx
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/1/1718ccc4-6315-4d8e-9543-8e28a4e18c4c/dxwebsetup.exe
More here:
http://cpanel02.london.networkeq.net/~arcane/bz2maps/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1597
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How long are you running it? I can run bz2 for maybe 15 minutes before all textures fail then my framerates drop below 10. If I leave sky detail set to None, it doesn't occur.
I think my older card is dying, so I overnighted a new card today which should be here tomorrow. I'll see if the new card has any of the same issues you guys are having.
Allrite ppl
I had a game like 1h:30min. (i was too tired to finish game, i went afk to bed and i had drinking day like 6 beers and work bofore that)
That's a pict of that game
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Anything went fine, ping is hier coz of ppl at my home.
No game crashes, no graphics errors :-D
Only logical fact is that new graphics engines are overclocked, and overheat by it self in game and complex calculating, for that reason ppl got graphics image errors in time game and or pc freezes too!
To fix this graphics errors when you got one, lower your frequency gpu and memory.
I'm using riva tuner, thats tool for graphics cards, it controls fans, pipelines, shaders, openGL, directX, and frequencys: gpu + memory, and more.
You can start with frequency gpu + memory.
if you got 600mhz as default frequency of you gpu, lower like 550mhz, memory 800 to 750mhz
Or try 100mhz less thats for shure you will got no errors.
Latest riva tuner download:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/downloadget.php?id=163&file=4&evp=2d213e528fb556c354432a3976bff55a
I know I'm thankful for my Asus probe program. The other it was overheating and I found a fan not working. Whew. Since I've replaced it and added another, I'm running 98F.
Im on 140F to 150F
Once I've turned my sky completely off, I haven't had an error in the world to be a problem.
I noticed that when I view my log the only error is an error about a texture, I'll see if I can dig it up. It had the word fence in it, that's all I can remember.
Im going to bump this back up since the problem has been occuring more and more.
(Mods, can someone sticky this? Its pretty important and prevents repeat complaints)
Done for the moment, when their drivers are half-decent again, then someone should undo...
I still question how many people actually *look* at the stickies though...
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I do. I told my friend to try this with his card. Not sure if hes tried it though.
New drivers for GeForce 6,7,8,9 series here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_175.19_whql.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_175.19_whql.html) , posted yesterday (June 23, 2008). Spotted http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14994 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14994) here. No, I've not tried them.
-- GSH
Wierd. I did a search for my FX series 5200 and it went to that link to. Not sure if i should take chances installing it.
The new nvidia 175.19 drivers don't solve the display problem with my 8800 GTX. I still have to have the sky set to "none" to keep from getting a messed up display.
Centerline...
I am still using a 6800GS and actually had the same problems when I upgraded to the latest drivers about 6 months ago.
I have found that any drivers after 162.67 will not work with bz2. Try downgrading the drivers to 162.67 and see if that works. You can get older drivers at www.guru3d.com
Let me know how that works, I am interested to see if my hunch is correct.
Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Driver: 6.14.11.6218
Just thought id get involved :wink:
I have stalled upgrading my drivers due to this complaint.
Just so you know that this version works.
I might suggest getting rivatuner at www.guru3d.com also. It has a lot of tweaks that are easier to implement than the tweaker that comes with the forceware drivers.
I use the version as marked 162.67, which is also 6.14.11.6267, so after this version, my hunch is BZ2 will most likely not function under certain conditions.
Just stick to latest hwql drivers.
Btw if you got one of first releases of 9800gtx you need to replace bios to new one(i got new one,now)
No graphics issues after replacing bios to new one.
http://bz2.freeforums.org/evga-nv9800gtx-512m-mod-t148.html
You can Download your NEW bios here:
http://www.mvktech.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
http://www.bz2maps.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1597
Has anyone found a working driver for the 8800GT? Every one I try that's older than what I have complain about "Compatible Hardware not found" and refuse to install...
Programm new bios and it will work.
Don't know about that, because he's using an 8800 GT, not a 9800 card.
VSMIT.
Setup drivers programs acess and read bios, and check if his card(bios) is good for those drivers ect.
And when bios is corupted, then no drivers on your pc.
It dosent matter if you got latest drivers or old ones same thing go for graphics cards, 9800 or 8800 or voodoo2 or mistyque220
all work on that simple way
Why do you think this web page so much software ?
http://www.mvktech.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
PPl got problems, for them is eazyer to deal w problem rather blaming vista xp and nv drivers (ati sux too, on huge complete 100meg drivers)
All the new drivers for all cards have issues relay.
Steeveeo, check that flashy bios thinymawatsit.
ARG! None of the bios flashing programs work at all! They all act as if this card doesnt even exist! The latest nvFlash utility says "ERROR: PCI BIOS not found", so Im guessing it is not compatible with PCI-E cards. Is there a setting on Rivatuner or nVidia control panel that Im missing? I cant seem to find a single thing that works...
I had problem like you had, was programing a chip compaq server expansion board and i use hot flash with mainboard put software to use lan and scsi and to bypass protections..
I was using uniflash and get adress of flash memory as pci adress and size...
i havent test this one
http://www.roxysoft.com/download/UniFlash/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvanleeuwen/ufhome.htm
Well i was using DOS version like 3 years back you need to search for it
Man I'm last person you would talk to about technical stuff, but I bought that Indeos codecs program that allows newer pcs to play older games. It was only 15 dollars when I bought it quite a few years ago. Could this help people with these driver problems to play Battlezone II on newer pc's?
Has anybody tried BZ with the GTX 200 or the HD 4800 yet? I would like to know if those worked right, if at all.
VSMIT.
Quote from: Ego - Nikolas on July 09, 2008, 01:51:02 PMI was using uniflash and get adress of flash memory as pci adress and size...
Yeah, http://www.uniflash.org is sweet. It revived an old motherboard of mine that became braindead after I initially burned it with the motherboard vendor's recommended flash burner (awdflash I believe). Never tried it with a video card bios though. UniFlash hasn't seem to be updated since 2005. Not sure about those 2 other links either.
Here's a Google search, if you haven't already looked at the links in here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bios+flash+8800gt&btnG=Google+Search
Quote from: VSMIT on July 17, 2008, 08:51:27 PM
Has anybody tried BZ with the GTX 200 or the HD 4800 yet? I would like to know if those worked right, if at all.
VSMIT.
Yes, please can someone verify that? :? My X1950XT mysteriously died two days ago, so I'm stuck with 7800GTX for now, it plays fine with older drivers, but getting choppy in newer games.... If ATI or NVIDIA fixed there drivers then I can finally jump to DX10 cards.
Thanks in advance.
Steeveeo?
could you try something for me? roll youre drivers back to the microsoft driver and let me know how it works out? if you have the time =]
Quote from: TheJamsh on August 15, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
Steeveeo?
could you try something for me? roll youre drivers back to the microsoft driver and let me know how it works out? if you have the time =]
I think I've already tried that, and the MS drivers are not built for the card, as just scrolling on a web page takes ages of screen refreshing.
ah right... bummer
do you think the laptop versions of the 8 series will have problems? its either going to be an 8400M GT or and 8600M GS
Quote from: TheJamsh on August 16, 2008, 04:21:05 AM
ah right... bummer
do you think the laptop versions of the 8 series will have problems? its either going to be an 8400M GT or and 8600M GS
Most definitely, even though they are the mobile versions, they are still 8 Series
damn. well i dont want to downgrade. ill keep the stock driver on the laptop and see what i get.
my current card has 128 MB dedicated graphics memory, its a 7500 LE (OEM equipment)
if i change to a 256MB 8400M GS, or a 512MB 8600M GT... will i get a massive boost in framerates and things?
Quote from: TheJamsh on August 16, 2008, 10:01:49 AM
my current card has 128 MB dedicated graphics memory, its a 7500 LE (OEM equipment)
if i change to a 256MB 8400M GS, or a 512MB 8600M GT... will i get a massive boost in framerates and things?
Not on BZ2, but maybe other things, whats your processor? It may be a bottleneck.
my current computer uses the GeForce 7500 LE with a dual-core Intel 6400 Processor
i then have the following options with my new laptop:
I get a Dual-Core Intel T7300, with the 256mb 8400M GS (£879)
OR
I get a Dual-Core Intel T7500, with the 512mb 8600M GT (£1099)
what do you think?
EDIT: Just been on the Intel website. and these are the processor specs:
Processor - Cores - Clock Speed - Front Side Bus (Mhz) - L2 Cache - Silicon Technology
6400 - 2 - 2.13 Ghz - 1066 - 2mb - 65nm
7500 - 2 - 2.20 Ghz - 800 - 4mb - 65nm
7300 - 2 - 2.00 Ghz - 800 - 4mb - 65nm
I'd say go with the higher ram since that should have the most proformance increase. When building a newer pc i'd strongly suggest going online to read the customer reviewers & manufacture's website for possible problems you might run into when building the pc.
Recently i built a newer pc however i ran into a bottleneck from something. The Maxium FPS didn't really increase however i did notice that the fps doesn't decrease much in a huge base & 50-70 units sitting at the factory. Orginally i installed regular pc ram that had no sli support & then decided to switch to pc ram with sli support. After installing the sli supported rame i noticed a huge difference in map loading time.
Normally most maps take 1-2 minutes to load with regular pc ram(No Sli Support) however with the sli supported ram installed most maps now only take 1-2 seconds.
New Pc:
Core 2 Extreme QX6850 - 3GHz
NVIDIA nForce 680i
Nvidia 8800 GTX 768MB
Antect Nine Hundred Case
PC RAM: 4 sticks of 2GB Ram w/SLI support
WinXp Pro & Vista Ultimate
(Note: PC Ram with SLI support really helps alot dispite i have 768MB on the video card,some Operating systems limit how much pc ram can be used dispite whats really installed.)
you lucky bugger!
wish i had something like that! i only have space enough for a laptop =[
twin video cards is that? of is the 680i a motherboard?
I had twin 8800 GTX, but i removed it after not seeing any increases in proformance with sli enabled\disabled so i removed the second card.
i think sli is only really useful in ridiculously well graphiced games... like crysis or whatever...
to all, see my post regarding older nVidia drivers. you can download all the older drivers there for all graphics cards made by nVidia.
Speaking of 200 series cards, the 280 is working fine with me - 177.83 drivers (vista 64 bit). No problems here, I can play with all settings max (shadows disabled), including sky at max settings, and everything ran fine.
Does anyone know where i can find the drivers or the older ones then these? Last release or older date.. dont know which one. I have Geforce FX 5200 nvida.
Quote from: Wraith on October 23, 2008, 08:49:25 PM
Does anyone know where i can find the drivers or the older ones then these? Last release or older date.. dont know which one. I have Geforce FX 5200 nvida.
Dunno why you'd need it, none of the drivers I know of for that series cause this issue, but you can get any version of your drivers at Guru3d.com.
I just formatted and dont have any video card drivers installed.
Quote from: Total Oblivion Omnis on September 24, 2008, 02:21:31 PM
Speaking of 200 series cards, the 280 is working fine with me - 177.83 drivers (vista 64 bit). No problems here, I can play with all settings max (shadows disabled), including sky at max settings, and everything ran fine.
Wow awsome news :-D. How about BZ1 on 280? What other older games you have?
Thanks.
TOO, you know you can set shadows to 'one' in BZ2 right? that does work fine. unless youre VC doesnt support it or anything but yeh im just pointing it out
Yea, "One" works, but meh.
Oh, and I recently tried BZI and I got the menu's to show up just fine. The game crashed when I tried actual gameplay, though. But I'm using the original, unpatched version on vista 64-bit.
Quote from: Total Oblivion Omnis on October 26, 2008, 09:22:03 AM
But I'm using the original, unpatched version on vista 64-bit.
....Yeeah
Hey, TOO, are you going to try BZ1 patched up?
VSMIT.
sure, just a sec...
I got both versions working, but only by running in software mode. Hardware mode generates an "Unhandled Exception" message and a very bad static sound for a brief moment.
Well, got myself 8800GTS 640MB card for $89. BZ1 and BZ2 work really well with ForceWare 177.92. I'm very surprised to see that most of my old games are working with them. Tried new 180.43 beta and they are complete pile of garbage. Whatever you do, avoid them like a plague. Massive corruption in all BZ and Battlefield games, just to name a few. I'm going to stick with 177.92 for a now.
Oh and if anyone is interested to try 177.92 you can get them here http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-Forceware-XP-177.92-32-bit-download-2042.html (http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-Forceware-XP-177.92-32-bit-download-2042.html)
I'll have to try that version out some time. The version I tested with was 177.83. Thanks for the heads up!
That is the GTS, not the GT. I thought the GTS did not really have any issues with BZ2, just the GT?
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I hate you all so much :-P
I had a dream that I got a NVidia 8800 and had issues with BZ2 ....
Quote from: OvermindDL1 on October 31, 2008, 01:57:40 PM
That is the GTS, not the GT. I thought the GTS did not really have any issues with BZ2, just the GT?
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You know I'm not 100% positive about that. I think older drivers worked fine with BZ2 on GTS, but when I tried 180 beta it creates white garbage all over my screen. Nvidia might change few things here and there before final version. However, knowing how they operate my hopes are very low. BTW I'm on WinXP, so I don't have a clue if BZ games are working properly with 177.XX on Vista.
Funny, they finally fixed Aliens vs. Predator bug; I can now play it with my DX10 card. lol.
Quote from: General BlackDragon on October 31, 2008, 02:28:13 PM
I hate you all so much :-P
I had a dream that I got a NVidia 8800 and had issues with BZ2 ....
Lmfao. Did you dream about playing Crysis on Ultra High settings as well :lol:. Once you get a high end card (and stay relatively up to date), it isn't all it's cracked up to be :cry:. Sure, it's bliss for the first week or so. But it's not nearly as fun after that (unless of course you do a lot of game modding and push your hardware to the limit with crazy stuff :-D).
Wait for the Nehalem architecture to come out before you do anything, though. It's a totally new architecture which uses a new socket. I believe the major system changes happen every two to three years on average in such a fashion as to significantly limit an upgrade path - which can make it so that upgrading one component may require the replacement of several others :(.
The only problem with waiting for i7 is the fact that when it comes out it will be über expensive, almost prohibitively so. If you are going to wait, wait only on the mobo components, as any expansion cards should be able to switch to the new mobo.
VSMIT.
New chips and drivers fading away second generaton of "3D acceleration" I meant bz2 game.
Now we are seriously using nvidia physx and ati cuda calculator engines (integrated in graphic chips) for games like far cry 2 and medal of honor airborne.
My guess is that even never graphics will stop supporting old code for drawing game graphics and minimum requirement will be game which does run on transform and lightning.
Edit: resiusly to seriously
I'm pretty sure the issues with the G92 core was nVidia phasing out their compatibility with the older versions of DX. That the GTX200 cores do support these older versions is good, but I'm almost certain that in the end, we will all have to keep an older computer in order to play BZ2.
VSMIT.
Which is why OpenGL should always work. :)
OpenGL was originally designed for professional 3d video work, as such it still has a lot of features in it that modern video cards still do not support, but the video card backend is only icing on the cake as it uses the CPU if all else fails, and if CPU's keep advancing and getting more cores to the point that even these vector processing (video) cards become obsolete, OpenGL applications will still always work. :)
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Yes OpenGL is great engine.
Maybe convert bz2 to open gl engine with some free tool :) ?
Quote from: Ego - Nikolas on November 03, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
Yes OpenGL is great engine.
Maybe convert bz2 to open gl engine with some free tool :) ?
Hah! Try more along the lines of rewriting almost the entire graphics part of the engine.
OpenGL is not an engine, it is an API, engines use API's to do stuff and any given engine tends to be built around the API it uses, hence yes, it would require rewriting a good portion of BZ2 to use.
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Did a quick 180.48 WHQL Driver test, and it looks like NVIDIA put back some of the old game support for the final release. Surprise, surprise, never seen that happening before. Played BZ games among others and it appears that they are functioning properly, but I must confess I did not test them for more then 10min. Still no fix for Battlefield games, so I'm back to 177.92.
I guess if do not play Battlefield games then do try 180.48 to see if they work with G9X and up cards.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_180.48_whql.html
Quote from: Member on November 20, 2008, 03:30:38 PM
Did a quick 180.48 WHQL Driver test, and it looks like NVIDIA put back some of the old game support for the final release. Surprise, surprise, never seen that happening before. Played BZ games among others and it appears that they are functioning properly, but I must confess I did not test them for more then 10min. Still no fix for Battlefield games, so I'm back to 177.92.
I guess if do not play Battlefield games then do try 180.48 to see if they work with G9X and up cards.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_180.48_whql.html
Nope, no real effect, except for about a 2 minute increase in time before the glitch from the last round of drivers, I got no difference.
Sorry to hear that, I'm starting to think that G9x cards have some sort of hardware design flaw. There isn't much difference, essentially a die shrink of the G80 + some other minor tweaks. Since they don't give a you know what about older games support, they simply did not test them extensively as they should have. Just look at ATI, they decided that 16bit dithering hardware support is no longer needed, leaving many gamers in the cold. I hope it just a software glitch, but then again we will never know for sure. I'm glad at least my 8800GTS works for the most part, but sadly not all of my games work properly and most likely never will. So I feel your pain.
It's an issue with the G92 cores/drivers. Apparently the GTX 200 cards work just fine.
VSMIT.
With BZII, yes. Still doesn't support the REALLY old games like Battlezone 1. I have to run that in software mode, but I bet a virtual machine or emulator running BZ1 might allow hardware graphics.
I just registered here. I've been a longtime fan of the BZ games and want to play through BZ2 again, but I'm getting the texture memory leak issue on a GTX 280. After a few minutes into the game, the framerates begin to decrease steadily and I get polygons popping out of the ground intermittently. I tested it on 177.43 and 180.48 in XP, and with both 1.2 and 1.3PB4a.
Setting the sky down to low fixes it but I would prefer not to do that if it can be avoided, especially since a few people here said it works fine on the same card. If there is a specific driver version that is known to work on a 280, I can revert to that temporarily.
There is also a minor additional issue with the ingame text, which looks chopped up (although it's still readable). I tried changing the half texel setting but that just makes it blurry instead.
If you go into the "NVidia Control Panel" under Control Panel in advanced mode you can set your 3D settings for specific applications. Im not sure which setting fixed it but I haven't gotten Steeveo's error in a while now, and have been playing 2-3 hour games.
Here are my current settings:
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EDIT: NVM i just got the glitch again. So it still happens with those settings. I guess i was just lucky for a while.
Yay, I finally got a response. :-P
I changed the settings to exactly what you have (through nHancer). The conformant texture clamp thing fixes the text issue, but the main problem is still there. Thanks for the help anyway.
It may only be occurring on certain maps, since it apparently depends on the skybox. One place where I can get it happen every time is the second campaign mission on Pluto, roughly around the point where you encounter the broken constructor.
I'm wondering if this only happens on the XP drivers. I have seen a few people say it works on this card but they all seem to use Vista 64.
dunno. Im using XP with an NVidia 8600GT. I can't get the error to happen on the second mission. If anyone knows of another point where it is a predictable occurrence that'd be good. The problem I've found with the program specific options is if i have multiple installs. Since the name is the same I can only add a list for one bzone.exe.
Quote from: ScarleTomato on December 23, 2008, 05:52:20 PM
dunno. Im using XP with an NVidia 8600GT.
Dang, I think the 8600 was one of the working cards...so much for the fix :/
It is a working card, if you never update your drivers... ever.
New nVidia drivers posted - see http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16180 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16180) . If the high sky detail doesn't work, then bug nvidia. Same thing I've said for a while.
-- GSH
just tested, not fixed yet
Uh Oh...
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Looks like I'm in the same boat.
What video card do you have?
And the sky really isn't necessary.
VSMIT.
tis pimp tho!
looks like nvidia are dropping support as the day goes by...
yeah i think my next upgrade will be an ati
After using Nvidia cards for years I'm starting to think the same thing ScarleTomato.I have a Geforce 7950GT and I reverted back to the 175 drivers to see if it would help and I'm still getting major video lag issues in the game that I used to never get. I don't even know anything about ATI cards, guess I'll have to start doing some research.
Dia
Well I went on the Nvidia forums and made a post about my problem and someone posted the recommended old drivers for my card and holy crap does everything work great now.
Dia
New nVidia drivers (non-beta) linked at http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16439 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16439) . Not sure if this fixes the bug. If not, keep bugging nVidia to support DX6 better.
Private 1.3 builds do seem to have a workaround for this bug.
-- GSH
Quote from: GSH on February 20, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
Private 1.3 builds do seem to fix this bug.
What fixed it? Changes to the Skydome code?
Are those builds available anywhere, or will we be able to get them in the future?
At this point, I have pretty much given up hope on getting this working otherwise. The GTX 200 line doesn't work on drivers older than the 177 series, which I think are too recent.
They're called private builds for a reason. :roll:
They'll be released when the next public beta of 1.3 is released.
VSMIT.
Anyone have experinced problem with nvidia geforce gtx series? (GTX 260,280,285,295)
Quote from: CP5670 on February 24, 2009, 09:45:58 PM
The GTX 200 line doesn't work on drivers older than the 177 series, which I think are too recent.
Does that means GTX series wont work on older driver under 9?
I don't know. I don't personally have a GT200 card.
Once again, nVidia has posted http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewstory&threadid=97118 (http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewstory&threadid=97118) new drivers. No idea if they fix things. As before, post-1.3pb4a builds have a workaround, I think. Not sure when it'll release.
-- GSH
1.3 tech alpha 5 is out now, and should squash this bug.
-- GSH
The move to DX9
We never thought it would happen kids. be sure to thank GSH muchly!
GSH I just want to say thank you very much for all you hard work. DX9 patch works just fine for me. :-D
This thread is possibly able to be un-stickied, or un-stickied with a replacement post that says:
1) 1.0 thru 1.3pb4a (inclusive) - turn sky detail off. Bug nVidia if you feel strongly about this.
2) 1.3ta5 and up - all fixed.
-- GSH
Well, I did amend the Solution section of the OP, if that helps any.
I have this same exact problem with the nvidia geforce 8600, only workaround that's worked for me is changing the view in game, (like changing 800/600 to 1024/768) its sometimes a pain when the buttons disappear then i need to go by sound :p
I have a 8600m GT in my laptop, and the thing that fixed it was moving to TA5.
MOVE TO TA5. That pretty much sums this topic up doesn't it...