Battlezone Universe

Ok, its become very likely that a the CP will include a 3rd Cthonian faction, so I have written a background for them.

The history of the Metians
In the long history of the Cthonians, there were many attempts by members of both sides to set up a third faction next to the long standing feud between the Olympians and the Hadeans. Many of these were merely short lived foot notes on the long history of a constant war, they were either destroyed by the larger factions or were simply starved of resources because they were cut off from the more established worlds that they were accustomed to.
One  breakaway faction stands head and shoulders above the rest though, the Metians, they set up a utopia for those who no longer wanted to fight. This is their history.

Timeline
A note on Cthonian timekeeping: the Cthonians measure time based on the point where records began and the orbital cycle of their original homeworld (Unfortunately, which world this was has never been established, as no world with a matching orbit time has ever been discovered), a Cthonian year for record keeping purposes is approximately 495 Earth days (Obviously orbital years and day lengths would vary from planet to planet). Until it can be determined when these events occurred on our own timeline, the Cthonian dates will be used.

Year 2267: The Olympians create a small colony on a world known as Valax, the world has a climate perfect for habitation, and the materials in the ground were very good for both building and being used in the generation of energy. Control of the Colony was given to a young noble by the name of Larazith, he had always been against the war with the Hadeans, and so had all of the colonists. For this was the point of the Valax colonisation, to get rid of Hadean sympathisers by putting them on a world right of the border of Hadean and Olympian space. All of the colonists were considered a danger to the war effert that had to be removed. Little did the rest of the Olympian high council know that Larazith had long ago made contact with Crown princess Mexxilia of the Hadean crown, with a view to establishing peace talks. Mexxilia had also been against the war.

Year 2270: The Hadeans are preparing to launch a large assault into Olympian territory, shortly before they launch crown princess Mexxilia disappears and there is a mass breakout from Fort Harla, a jail for civilian spacecraft pilots who had refused conscription into the war. Several large unarmed troop carriers take off heading for Olympian space and are soon lost from sensors.

Year 2271: The Olympians lose contact with the settlers on Valax.  It is not officially investigated by the high council, although the crew of a merchant vessel that went to Valax to load with resources reports that there was no signs of a fight of any kind, but the planet is completely deserted.

Year 2272: The Hadeans launch their assault.  They gain a few worlds but soon reach a stalemate.

Year 2273:King Drolcio of the Hadean crown is killed in action. His son and Mexxilia's brother, Lysion, asends to the throne.

Year 2275: Contact is made with the leaders of a new faction, calling themselves the Metians (derived from their homeworld of Metia). Their leaders are the now married (or the Cthonian equivalent thereof) Larazith and Mexxilia.  They claim to be completely peaceful and want nothing to do with the war. As the Mexxilia is part of the royal family of the Hadean crown they immediately agree to leave the Metians alone, and make an offer to temporarily stop fighting the Olympians if the Olympians promise to leave the Metians alone. The Olympians accept.
For many years the Metians grow a great deal in terms of technology as unlike the other Cthonian empires they do not have to divert so many resources towards maintaining the balance of power. They develop much incredible technology and their architecture becomes breathtakingly beautiful. The peace between the three factions allows a better life for all of the Cthonian peoples.
Word reaches the Hadeans and Olympians that the Metians have created a nigh on indestructible alloy, by mixing various strong metals and then somehow fusing it with living tissue. They refuse to share it for fear that it would restart the war.
Year 2302: An ambitious distant cousin of the Hadean King, by the name of Kaelia, kills Lysion and usurps the throne. He renounces all of the truces made by his predecessor, he declares an intention to attack Metia to obtain their wonder metal. With an inevitable attack coming from the Hadeans in the near future, the Metians have no choice but  to turn to the Olympians and beg for assistance. The Olympians agree, but it is uncertain whether the support will be in time to save Metia...

Any opinions?

seems solid enough, it has my support.

The word 'amazing' is a complete understatement!!  :-D

Can we continue with the greek mythological heaven/hell names to make it true to the previous storyline? For example Tartarans (the bad part of greek afterlife) and Elysians (the good part).

i like it, and i like the names too!

I like it!

However Calvin DOES bring up a good point. I'm not 100% sold on "Metians" as the name, and I do like Greek mythology stuff, especially since this IS Battlezone.

Maybe the Metians are a bit tough and need to be tenderised.

Lets hope the Metians do not use their super indestructable alloy to armor their ships. A HUGE unbalance of power, indestructable ships are a no no.  :-D

I believe super indestructable alloy related to bio-metal.

It does feel uneven to an extent. Any map or mission based on a home world never sits well with me unless the plot explains away the following event:

Remember BZ2 ISDF ending on Core? That was the Scion's last chance, yet there were two easy to crush bases and infrequent small groups of maulers from one way or another. On a homeworld, there should be barrages from countless troops and directions.

What I am getting at is the third faction would be integral to ANY success on a Cthonian homeworld landing, or else the CP will end up as a huge collection of stealth maps trying to meander around the warring factions.

I never got that kind of attack when they send little groups that don't really help their cause.

Quote from: Clavin12 on August 27, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
Can we continue with the greek mythological heaven/hell names to make it true to the previous storyline? For example Tartarans (the bad part of greek afterlife) and Elysians (the good part).

Metis is the name of a Greek God. ;) (God of wisdom - therefore good technology)

Quote from: bb1 on August 28, 2009, 08:21:16 AM
I believe super indestructable alloy related to bio-metal.

It does feel uneven to an extent. Any map or mission based on a home world never sits well with me unless the plot explains away the following event:

Remember BZ2 ISDF ending on Core? That was the Scion's last chance, yet there were two easy to crush bases and infrequent small groups of maulers from one way or another. On a homeworld, there should be barrages from countless troops and directions.

What I am getting at is the third faction would be integral to ANY success on a Cthonian homeworld landing, or else the CP will end up as a huge collection of stealth maps trying to meander around the warring factions.

I was trying to hint that it was biometal actually.

And the reasons you don't have to worry about mass attacks from the Metians are as follows:

A) They were a peaceful faction.

B) Most of them are killed by missile strikes from orbit by the Hadeans. The rest would be forced to abandon their peaceful ways in favour of guerilla warfare.

How would it be pronounced?

Since it comes from "Metis," I imagine you'd keep the "t" sound -- so you would pronounce it "met-ians" as opposed to using the "tia" sound from "inertia."

I think it's best as Meaty-ans.

Oh right, British do the e's weird.

I don't like "Meaty-ans" because it sounds too much like "medians."

How is that wierd? Just say the word "Me" if you aren't convinced.

But, after some research I beleive Metis is pronounced Meh-tiss, so I guess it should be Meh-tee-ans

Also, something to consider: there is a moon called Metis, and an asteroid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_(mythology)#Metis_in_astronomy

*To me, words like estrogen and pedophile, and, by extention, Metis, sound like they should have a short "e," as in "meh" rather than a long one, like "median."

Aside from the astronomy thing, I am sold.

I've been saying it "meh-tea-ans" this entire time, so I say short "e" aswell.

MMMMM, Meaty-ans.

Anybody hungry?

Medium rare for me thanks.

They're a bit gristly though...

I prefer mine with brown mustard and lettuce.

Elyssians reminds me of an space-based RTS I have called O.R.B that we could draw some ideas from... which leads me to suggest some using a name based on those in the game (Wikipedia page here to help) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.R.B) since Metians seems to be producing some confusion.

I'll be honest, some of the names they used are pretty good. It was quite a good game, I'd recommend it to those of you who like Homeworld... still, take a look :)

Not that I don't like Metians, of course.

Quote from: sabrebattletank on August 28, 2009, 01:47:57 PM
*To me, words like estrogen and pedophile, and, by extention, Metis, sound like they should have a short "e," as in "meh" rather than a long one, like "median."

Its spelled paedophile, and is pronounced "pee".

Quote from: AHadley on August 29, 2009, 02:50:11 PM
Elyssians reminds me of an space-based RTS I have called O.R.B that we could draw some ideas from... which leads me to suggest some using a name based on those in the game (Wikipedia page here to help) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.R.B) since Metians seems to be producing some confusion.

I'll be honest, some of the names they used are pretty good. It was quite a good game, I'd recommend it to those of you who like Homeworld... still, take a look :)

Not that I don't like Metians, of course.

I chose Metians because it links with who they are as Metis was the goddess of wisdom and thought, as for Elyssians I don't see how it links to Greek mythology which is what a lot of people seem to be calling for.

Elysium was the place where good people go in the Greek underworld. It's a subdivision of Hades.

Wouldn't work then.

Quote from: Mr X on August 30, 2009, 06:48:51 AM
Its spelled paedophile, and is pronounced "pee".

Sabre is American. But I'm convinced we've got it right, since Americanisms are corruptions :P

Modern English is a corruption :p

It's Greek, we're corrupting it anyway :p

English as a hole is what you get when you take every language in the world and stuff them into a box they shouldn't be able to fit into :P

Mostly just Anglo-Saxon and Latin.

French, but that essentially counts as Latin.

Quote from: AHadley on August 30, 2009, 01:35:32 PM
Wouldn't work then.

Then tartarans it should be.

actually i've been pronouncing it as:

metia (mee sha)
metis (mee tis)
metians (mee shins)

The little bugger kicked metians hard.  :-P

Quote from: Rocket on August 30, 2009, 09:01:18 PM
actually i've been pronouncing it as:

metia (mee sha)
metis (mee tis)
metians (mee shins)

Well, you go tell the ancient Greeks that...

Quote from: Clavin12 on August 30, 2009, 07:31:52 PM
Then tartarans it should be.

Actually, I'm not so hot on Elyssians or Tartarans, the reason for this is that I don't think they should qualify as either good or evil (especially not evil, as Tartarans would suggest). Does anyone see my point here?

Medusians

how about instead of greek mytholagy, we try roman mythology, i propose the Janians, after the roman diety Janus.

Uranians  :-P

Quote from: iron maiden on August 31, 2009, 01:13:27 PM
how about instead of greek mytholagy, we try roman mythology, i propose the Janians, after the roman diety Janus.

Because if its Greek it ties in with the other Cthonian factions.

What if its a hybrid race between hadeans or olympians and some other race.

The Hadeans and the Olympians basically were the same race just drastically divided IIRC.

Granted that many of the cthonian names are identical to Greek mythology but we are not taking into account that the Cthonians did not visit other types of peoples, thus spreading their influence over the who world. it never said they just visited greece.

Quote from: iron maiden on August 31, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
it never said they just visited greece.

To my recollection it actually did.

I just realized that I have a "Dictionary of Greek and Roman Mythology" in my possession, so I went through it and picked out some names that would at least remotely make sense.
I'm making several assumptions as to what the third race are/what they did:

• They are a convergence of the Hadeans and Olympians.
• They are fundamentally peaceful.
• They created biometal and other advanced technology.
• They created/control the portals.
• They abandon and/or hide their homeworld to escape attack by either the Hadeans or Olympians.

I only picked out names of gods because that is what the Cthonians are supposed to be.
Here is the list of names I picked out and why:

• Aeolians - Aeolus was the keeper of the winds (appears in the Odyssey) and lived on a floating island. Since in the Odyssey the winds were used for fast travel, we can equate them with the portals that are apparently becoming central to the story. The floating island analogy may be used if they decide to turn their homeworld into a rogue planet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet) to hide it.
• Demetrians - Demeter was the primary earth goddess and a sister of both Zeus and Hades (hence the 3rd faction). Her daughter Persephone was stolen by Hades, causing Demeter to become upset and the earth to become infertile. Eventually, the Olympian gods were forced to intervene, compromising with Hades so that Persephone spent half of her time in Hades and half on Olympus. Persephone here can easily be equated with biometal, as per Mr. X's storyline the Hadeans attack the third faction to get the biometal technology, and the third faction abandons lays waste to their planet and appeal to the Olympians for help.
• Eireneans - Eirene was the manifestation of peace in Greek mythology. Since the third faction is supposed to be peaceful, it would not be surprising if the Hadeans and Olympians gave them this name (Although I do not think that peacekeeping would be the primary function of the third faction, I thought this name would be worth including).
• Hestians - Hestia was the "keeper of the fire" and (more or less) the goddess of the concept of home. She was also a sister to the main gods. In mythology, she stayed away from the disputes of other gods and remained a virgin. The "fire" that she represented was a "homeland" concept to the Greeks; each city maintained a city hearth and colonists took fire from that before departing. Here, fire would be equated with biometal due to its importance to the Cthonians and its presence wherever the Cthonians went, and the neutrality of the goddess is also fitting for the neutral faction.

i like hestians the best

Poseidians

Yeah, Hestians is probably the best pick there.

It might be better to use a name that doesn't start with the letter 'H' to avoid possible confusion with the Hadeans.

Demetrians or Hestians, I'd say. Poll time?

In the interest of avoiding possible future duplicated asset Issue's,
"ALL INFERIOR SPECIES ARE TO BE CONSIDERED THE ENEMY OF THE DALEKS AND DESTROYED!" THOSE WHO'S NAME STARTS WITH D ARE FIRST ON THE LIST!  :-D

Athenians, after goddess of wisdom. They where the people who invented biometal so they'd have to be "wise"

Oh and if they invented time travel they could be named after Chronos keeper of time. (not to be confused with titan Cronos)

or maybe Promethians after Prometheus who gave fire to mankind, just like the cthonian third faction gave biometal to mankind.

What my masters are trying to say is, they dream of a (BZ2) Universe where all the races do battle, so that they can prove their ultimate supremacy. Although there is no immediate need to worry about duplicating race name ID's for the community project, but it is worth considering right at the start, that each race use one that is unique within the BZ2 universe, So you could call them Demetrians, but use the ID of J or k for example. Or just call them Jemetrians  :-D

I already shotgunned Athenians... me and General Hoohah had a massive arguement about it. Repeatedly. Please dont put me through that again...

For the Record:

The Pathan Clan
Serenese
Athenians
New Olympians
Colonies
Feint
Meth (or something not related to drugs beginning with m...)
Various Pirates
QF 2
Raiders
AAN
Black Cerberi
Hadeans
Rebel Hadeans
Scion Collective
EDF

i think thats every name in my mod... but theres one more i think...

Tsurani

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 01, 2009, 09:35:10 AM
Athenians, after goddess of wisdom. They where the people who invented biometal so they'd have to be "wise"

Oh and if they invented time travel they could be named after Chronos keeper of time. (not to be confused with titan Cronos)

or maybe Promethians after Prometheus who gave fire to mankind, just like the cthonian third faction gave biometal to mankind.

1) Metis was the other Goddess of wisdom ¬_¬ Not to mention the fact that I don't think it should be Athenians because Athena was an Olympian God.

2) Actually, Chronos could work...

3) I believe there has already been reference to a completely seperate race to the Cthonians called the Prometheans, so we can't use it I'm afraid.

@gegc, The Cthonians don't give humanity biometal, we just found it.

Hestia was goddess of the home, you seem to be mixed up. (Also an Olympian, so I don't think we can use it, same goes for Demeter)

I'm going to open the floor up to suggestions, any nominations that I don't see a problem with will go into a poll. Chronos is what I personally like at the moment though.

Prometheans already exist in Fleshstorm, AFAIK the only truly canon mod apart from FE. They used Biometal as a poison against the Swarm, long before the Cthonians. BBB has the rest, not sure how much he'll give us.

how about either
A. Herculians, after hercules
B.typhonii, after the titan Typhon

Quote from: iron maiden on September 01, 2009, 04:39:29 PM
how about either
A. Herculians, after hercules
B.typhonii, after the titan Typhon

Not Hercules, because hercules was a warrior, and the faction doesn't maintain a military,

What was Typhon the titan of?

A new rule for suggestions: The name must have some meaning within greek mythology with a link to the 3rd faction.

I highly recommend some form of Chronos, keeper of time.

I'm not too sure on using the names of the Titans. I may well have my mythology wrong here, but IIRC the Titans were the enemies of the Gods, and thus are used in the BZ storyline to represent the Furies. I remember reading about a Titan (Fury) being imprisoned on... some planet, somewhere. Really not sure, rather sketchy.

In Greek mythology the furies where the avengers for the Gods, without much to do with the titans. If that differs from Greek mythology why can this?

The titans were the predecessors and enemies of all Olympian gods; most had to endure some kind of punishment such as holding up the sky (Atlas). The Furies were equated with a restless conscience and in mythology spent all their time chasing around guilty people; they were more of a concept than actual gods per se.

I don't think they were Gods, just evil creatures.

i like the meaning of Hestians, but i like the sound of the name Demetrians...  :|

how about the hermians, after the greek messenger god hermes?

Chronos wasn't a titan (he is often confused with Kronos the titan) he was the keeper of time which would explain the third Cthonian race inventing time travel. BTW, have the Olympians ever been designed or made into a playable race?

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 02, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
have the Olympians ever been designed or made into a playable race?

yes, they are going to be in BZC.

a few more ideas

promethii, prometheus was the famous titan that gave us fire

hepheastii hepheastus was the great metal smith pf the god's

Hepheastii are good idea wise but i don't think that the name sounds good enough.

There are three "factions" of the greek gods. Primordial Gods, Titans, And Olympian Gods.

The Primordial Gods are the ones like Gaia (Earth), Chronos (Time), and Nyx (Night).

The Titans are Atlas, Promethius, Kronos (not Chronos), and so on

The Olympians are those such as Zeus, Athena, and Hephastus

Since we have a race after the olympians how do Primordians, or Titanians sound?

Although the Hadiens don't quite fit in to this, seeing as Hades was an Olympian god, But then they were basing it on area of the world, not type of god. Oh well...

(this message for those of you who don't want to visit wikipedia :-D)

It is also possible, as this was an underground movement, that there is no existing Greek name for this third faction and thus what we say would be brand new. We can write it with the presence of mind of how it would have been interpreted if it was known, but knowing it was not. We could even pretend it was somewhat known.

QuoteDemetrians or Hestians, I'd say. Poll time?

Here's where I'd suggest going. One other caution about "Hestians" - sounds a lot like "Hessians", which are 18th century German soldiers.

The original BZ1 and CP projects were heavy into pure greek references. It's just a name and doesn't have to dictate the behaviour of the race it's applied to (unless it's extremely symbolic like, say, Cerberi), so go ahead and pick one. Other names can be introduced later as subfactions anyways. :)

Hermians may get confusing.

Hernians, anyone?

How bout we make a list of all the names submitted and have a poll.

What is the thought on the comment I gave about them not being known to humans anyway?

if we do primordial greeek dieties i would suggest the Nyxians or the Nyxii, i like the i endings.

Gaiaii sounds quite strange.

Tartarus was a primordial god representing the deepest darkest part of hell so i don't thing tartarans or taqrtarii will do for a technological race. how bout Aetherii after Aether the god of the upper air? or Chronii pronounced Kroan-e-ai

i like chronii, it has a nice ring to it.


This has no relation to the topic but i though it was funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWy9q0A7PE&feature=related

Just skimming over this thread... everyone seems to be trying to create something from an 'already existing' greek god/godess or something, so half the work is done and the history somehow 'fits in'.

I think what really needs to be done is to go to the drawing board and make something totally original up. Just 'add' to the greek history if anything, rather than using whats currently there.

Using whats already there anchors our story into history making it more interesting and believable.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 04, 2009, 07:52:45 AM
Using whats already there anchors our story into history making it more interesting and believable.

Except our group is secret to the Hadeans and Olympian public, so how the heck would the puny Greek know?

What if they made themselves known to the Greek without the other Cthonians knowing?

What about a the "bio-something?" Bio- is greek enough, I think, and that could be a bonus as to why it's called "bio-metal."

Maybe Biothians? Bio*insert something here*

Bionians...Strange. Yes Bio is rooted in Greek. I still like the Chronii

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 04, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
What if they made themselves known to the Greek without the other Cthonians knowing?

Big if.

I suggest that we use the Greek language roots to create something all new, then write it in as something the Greeks slightly knew about (not in actual history, completely made up, but told in the same straight face way Stargate does it with Egypt).

(In one Stargate episode some alien wants to know about his mate, Amaroka, and they literally made up a thing about her and some Gould killing her in some non existent writing. I mean in the show they act like the writing is real and you could find it in a book in the library, but it really is not.)

But the Battlezone storyline has always been true to Greek mythology 100%... from the very start.

I'd really prefer that wasn't changed.

If only for continuity's sake...

Then we need to find something vague.

Actually, I've just realised the futility of a poll, given that there are so many suggestions and everyone will just vote for their own :P

And actually, there may be a point with the whole they didn't visit Earth thing. We could go for anything greek sounding.

Mr.X has a good point, if they did not visit earth, we could call them whatever we please. The hard part, finding a pleasing name.

Yeah, so everyone go nuts :P I'll pick my favourite four or five (someone has to, or we'll end up with a poll with 20 or so options) and then there'll be a poll.

my two suggestions are mutated versions of the German and french translation of the word advanced respectively:

German: Vorankii

French: Evolarii

again, i like the double i ending.

Quote from: iron maiden on September 06, 2009, 09:48:24 AM
my two suggestions are mutated versions of the German and french translation of the word advanced respectively:
German: Vorankii

German "advanced", "modern", or "progressed" is "fortgeschritten". I don't see how "Vorankii" is a mutation of "fortgeschritten" :P

...Unless there is another way of saying it that I'm missing in my broken German :P

Amusing Greek language was influenced by the Cthonians and not the other way around, it would likely be a Greek sounding name even if it was not directly translatable.

http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dictsrch_aff.asp?menu=N&query=life&src=BP&go=Translate&trg=CQ

How about something to do with pheonix's,

It fits because they rose from the fires of the Hadean Olympian war.

I'm taking German and I don't think its the language for this mod. Another mod maybe.

There are several Greek words for time that would serve well:

Chronos - Chronii, Chronians
Kairos - Kairii, Kairians
Hora - Horii, Horians
Genea - Genii, Genians

Also there are some for life:

Bios - Bionii, Bionians
Zoe - Zoeii, Zoeians, Zonii, Zonians
Psuche - Psuchii, Psuchians

And Metal or Iron:

Sideros - Siderii, Siderians

Fire:

Phos - Phosii, Phosians, Phosphorii, Phosphorans
Pur - Purii, Purians

Bird:

Orneon - Ornii, Ornians
Peteinon - Peteinii, Peteinians

Fire and Bird, as a representation of Pheonix:

Phosphornii, Phosphornians
Purpetii, Purpetians

We could use latin with stuff like:

Tempus, Temporus (time) - Tempii, Temporii, Tempians, Temporians
Vita (life) - Vitii, Vitians
Aetas (era) - Aetii, Aetians

Hope this list helps.

hmm, where did the name, "Cthonian" come from anyway?

Cthonian or Cthonic means "of or relating to the underworld".

I would say Phosphornii from those, Clavin.

What is the mythos of the pheonix. This may be of use.

The Phoenix is a bird that lives for a very long time then builds a nest and burns up. From the ashes emerges a baby phoenix or a phoenix egg.

Good:
- Rising from the ashes (Cthonians reborn in the ashes of the Cthonian Civil War)
- The work Phoenix is greek and phoenixes are a part of greek mythology
- Greek sun-god Helios stopped his chariot to listen to the song of the Phoenix (Cthonians stopped their war to listen to the Phosphornii)

Bad:
- Phoenixes live for five hundred to a thousand years (the Phosphornii was a relatively short-lived faction from what I gather) though the amount of time that the Phosphornii were around could easily be changed - we don't even know how long a Cthonian lifespan is)

Quote from: AHadley on September 08, 2009, 12:53:56 AM
Cthonian or Cthonic means "of or relating to the underworld".

I would say Phosphornii from those, Clavin.

So would I, it sounds quite good to me.

Quote from: AHadley on September 08, 2009, 10:04:00 AM

Bad:
- Phoenixes live for five hundred to a thousans years (the Phosphornii was a relatively short-lived faction from what I gather) though the amount of time that the Phosphornii were around could easily be changed - we don't even know how long a Cthonian lifespan is)

I was wondering about Cthonian lifespans also, does anyone have anything we can use as reference here?

i'd go ahead with phosphornii. Also, does anyone have any idea what the third faction's ships would look like? would they look similar the the Hadean's or majorly different? Just throwing it out there.

You could name buildings and vehicles to correspond to the name. Is there already a Pheonix? How bout Firebird (which is the Russian version of the phoenix)? And I've never seen an ornithopter from dune command but seeing as i've read the books I think it might suit nicely for a basic concept for one of these ships.

I like Phosphoronii as well.

I believe the Scions have a Phoenix. It's developed during the gap between Forgotten Enemies and this project, so the Scions may use it during the CP. It will first feature in Perfidious. First created by Coxxon and used in the Uler mod.

What does the ornithopter look like?

Sorry but Phosphoronii sounds too much like Phosphorous Pepperoni to me

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 08, 2009, 03:53:36 PM
What does the ornithopter look like?

(http://www.timedisruptor.com/forum/images/avatars/1937349345428116677a13d.gif)

Is this it?

Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 08, 2009, 04:40:33 PM
(http://www.timedisruptor.com/forum/images/avatars/1937349345428116677a13d.gif)

Is this it?

Yes

The word is a flapping wing craft.

I was thinking like a simple bz2 compatible version of this.

(http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/74e423ae7d.jpg)

And here's just a concept to go off of.

(http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/ec56af41bb.jpg)

Yes, I know their from blender.org

I like the 2nd. Should I model something?

What is their proposed building system?
BZ2 like?
BZ1 like?
Something new?

We CAN do DLL.

I'm up for unconventional, but not DLL powered. Not sure why, it just... doesn't seem... right.

Quote from: AHadley on September 09, 2009, 12:58:24 AM
I'm up for unconventional, but not DLL powered. Not sure why, it just... doesn't seem... right.

The FS:PR and BZ1 styles are both DLL powered.

Bulding style as in how they synthesize biometal things?

You know how the gun spire opens up and the ball comes floating to the top. Also when you upgrade the power generators how they grow out of the ground? I was thinking that the constructor could lay down a bed of biometal which would then "grow" into the building. They would emphasize the "bio" part of biometal a lot more than the other races.

I've already come up with a few model designs which I can post soon.

hows this for an antennae?

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pXQxUzzdHlA3OO65R-W3Nza3Ev6_i9VJkZtiXYRTwCm-XxKSA137IzA8FcgBfq3Grl3JpZhn-Z1qfq3bCKu6TbySwxj0eqOVU/pheonix%20antennae.jpg)

You may want to make the base a bit bigger so that it matches the size of the widest point, otherwise you could end up with buildings that overlap.

But it does look good.

As for a logo, I'm thinking it should be a bird in front of a wall of flame.

EDIT: did a sketch of the logo I have in my head, still haven't got the scanner working so I took a picture of it, worked better than I'd expected actually.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn301/Jdude_1/101_2085.jpg)

What do y'all think?

I propose that we alter the history a little so that they didn't name themselves the Phosphornii but were named that by the Hadeans after the Cthonian civil war. Many ancient races have a name that in their language means "people" or "real people". May I suggest they have two names?

The greek word for people is either demos or ethnos, so some options would be demii, ethnii, demians, ethnians.

I like the two names idea.
I like the building Calvin but I don't think it fits quite yet. Still a nice model. I was thinking they would be a bit bulkier.

Ok. I was also thinking we could put some sort of fire effect in between the wings in it. I've also designed a ship but ill have to change it a little to match this.

I would suggest that as some sort of Phosphornian atrifact. Like the ones from BZ. Or maybe even an emblem that stands on a post... or something.

May I suggest we change the name from Phosphornii to Phosphorii? Phorn isn't a very etymologically pretty sounding or looking word.

Oh and Phosphorus is the main ingredient in match heads which further supports the name.

I like it as phosphornii personally, I'll add a poll.

Still, no-one has commented on my symbol... :(

I like it, but it looks a bit busy. Take a look at the black dogs... just a dog. Maybe this should stick to just the bird without the flames in the background... not sure

or just a bird on a red or orange backdrop, or a red and orange bird, or a flaming bird. Or a birds head with a little flame for the eye.

Ooh, last one sounds good. You're getting good at this.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 08, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
(http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/ec56af41bb.jpg)

I am thinking we base on this image the most.

How will they be worked though? For example:
BZ2: Recycler is a treaded unit that deploys, thus starting the base.
BZ1: Recycler is a hover unit that deploys on geysers, thus starting the base.
FS PR: Processor deploys and refines scrap, this makes all the type of biometal used by the race from the collected normal biometal. The Super Constructor (only 1) makes all structures.
Serenesis: They drop from the sky! Its much more complicated but I don't want to go into that.
Something new: anything?

You start out with a vehicle which builds a Biometal pad which grows into the Recycler, then recycles itself.

I was thinking that the Recycler building could be kind of like a furnace, or at least have a fire effect in it, because the phoenix rose from the ashes of a fire.

What about Phosphoroni? With a long "o" and a long "i" at the end.

I think that might be a little too Italian sounding.

One possible problem might be that we can't make a walker that doesn't look like a chicken.

No, with "i" as in "ice"

I know but it still sounds rather Italian.

Some inspiration.

(http://designyrlife.com/images/_phoenix_bird2.jpg)

(http://www.sportshawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/phoenix.gif)

(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1005669058750&id=2cc6b06f1bb673296305ef2ca11255de&url=http%3a%2f%2fficklemuses.com%2fimages%2fPhoenix2.jpg)

(http://www.customwaxnseals.com/Mythical/Phoenix3L.JPG)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:5YPRaIdzMD6CpM:http://www.darkart.cz/wp-content/gallery/01_classics_mixed/metal_phoenix.jpg)

with clavin on this one.

Just drop the thick Italian accent you guys are playing with and it's all good.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 10, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1005669058750&id=2cc6b06f1bb673296305ef2ca11255de&url=http%3a%2f%2fficklemuses.com%2fimages%2fPhoenix2.jpg)

That one.

And I still think Phosphorii is better than Phosphoroni. Still sounds slightly italian even without an Italian accent.

As for the buildings, I was going to suggest a vehicle that deploys on a scrap pool into a factory, and then doubles up as an extractor too, with enhanced scrap breeding speed... but the downside of that is that it would seem like a cheap hack to get a BZ1 style going. And it may be slightly poorly balanced.

I was thinking of making them much more organic and sleek than the other races in that they grow instead of deploy. The way that the scions look when morphing. Similar to the scion buildings but instead of having them simply rise out of the ground like the scion buildings they rise up like a shapeless rounded cylinder and then form into the buildings, harden and become colored and textured and all that.

Not sure about the cylinder part.

EDIT: Let's see how unusual a build tree we can make too... maybe we can stray away from the normal layout.

I mean a lump of biometal grows into the building. Kind of like the scions but more complex

Hows this for a service bay.

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAw1iDlP3sEHs1NQRVnFcdmMzo3Y9uCW21aZl9Dk8dM6nedjEAeQKa9utg0jGsbwYm7hBZzXAKBpvEOW_XTDJ-NMTS2c7apBI/Recycler%20or%20service%20bay.jpg)

Digging that first image from Clavin!

And as for the buildings I think it would be an interesting alternative way to do things which is as follows:

The recycler can deploy anywhere,

the recycler creates"Seeds" which move around the map and deploy to grow into buildings. You can order them to deploy and undeploy, but it costs you scrap each time. Some buildings can't be undeployed after being upgraded. Also, producer buildings (factory and armory) can only deploy on scrap pools and they draw all their own scrap from the pool that they are on, they have internal storage which has to be upgraded by a different kind of seed and this will allow you the storage to make more advanced units. You have an option in the command menu for your scavs where you can choose where the scrap they harvest goes to.

what do you all think?

Creates a new way of playing that should be good in my opinion.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 11, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
Hows this for a service bay.

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAw1iDlP3sEHs1NQRVnFcdmMzo3Y9uCW21aZl9Dk8dM6nedjEAeQKa9utg0jGsbwYm7hBZzXAKBpvEOW_XTDJ-NMTS2c7apBI/Recycler%20or%20service%20bay.jpg)

Looks a bit too much like the Hadean one in my opinion, maybe add two more legs so that there is one at each corner?

I like the Seeds idea, but I would suggest renaming them to something else... my suggestion was Egg, but it might be to heavily based on a bird :lol:

I like the new Service Bay, but yeah, maybe we should have more legs. Here's an idea... maybe we should base the rest of the buildings on the arcing wings we have there.

Also, I have some modifications of my own, based on the Seeds idea. They're not in any particular order. They also rely on DLL power (Yes, that's right, DLL power :o)

- Recycler deploys anywhere on the map.
- Instead of a Constructor, the Recycler builds Eggs / Seeds.
- Eggs / Seeds deploy into buildings. Factories and Armouries deploy on scrap pools. This means that scrap prices are dramatically lowered (to allow for some reason to cap other pools).
- New DLL adds a new Undeploy option to all building menus, allowing for a combination of upgrade and undeploy. The Recycler is also capable of undeploying.
- Eggs/Seeds look like the buildings they create. I think that's the biggest downfall of the Deploy Recycler in MRVP, unfortunately... the only distinction is the text at the top. Let's make lots of models :)


I most certainly think the models should be based off the wings Clavin has designed for us. Looks very pretty. Maybe some of the concepts Gen. H gave us too... I seem to remember an arced vehicle in there.

If you guys agree, I'll draw up a basic build tree for these guys using the ISDF models or something.

You've got some issues with the BZ2 engine, the AI, and that System. It is very much like the PR from FS. So, other ideas too?

Ooh, just had another thought,

they're technologically advanced right? What if they had a building that could make copies of enemy ships? (It balances out because you'll never be able to get the enemy's best units and tug them back to base, only stuff that you've sniped)

And yes, I agree that the eggs should look like the buildings they become. (Not completely though, they should still look believable as ships)

Definitely. Recycler-ish.

And if everything hovered it'd be good. Not sure about walkers being an exception or not.

And could you explain yourself in clearer terms, NK1? My suggestions will cause problems, yeah? I'm having a dumb day today.

Well, the combo of your idea and the previous. For example, you cant have something undeployable and upgradable unless it is a factory using a DLL trigger object to undeploy.

They can be called eggs but i don't think they should look anything like an egg. That would be too much. I also don't think that we should go with the fleshstorm kind of organic, but instead make biometal a lot more alive than it was in the previous mods. The "eggs" could be a small diminished version of their buildings and when they deploy they grow into their buildings. I also don't think that the eggs should be redeployable.

Quote from: Nielk1 on September 11, 2009, 12:48:25 PM
Well, the combo of your idea and the previous. For example, you cant have something undeployable and upgradable unless it is a factory using a DLL trigger object to undeploy.

That's why I suggested DLL power. Since all the missions in this will be new, DLL power shouldnt really be a problem.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 11, 2009, 12:49:06 PM
They can be called eggs but i don't think they should look anything like an egg. That would be too much. I also don't think that we should go with the fleshstorm kind of organic, but instead make biometal a lot more alive than it was in the previous mods. The "eggs" could be a small diminished version of their buildings and when they deploy they grow into their buildings. I also don't think that the eggs should be redeployable.

I did mention making them look like the buildings they produce, having a small round white thing would be too much :lol:.

Well, I guess we could just not have them upgradeable then.

The problem with that is balance. Having the "egg" system makes the Recycler that much more valuable. A normal constructor can always be replaced if destroyed so you're not sitting without anywhere to go, and a constructor can continue building after your recycler is destroyed. If your recycler is destroyed with the "egg" system, you can't replace your buildings.

P.S.
Phosphornii is ridiculous. It sounds like a type of noodle. I wouldn't be able to take that name seriously.

Exactly my thoughts Feared, except like Pornography to me....

Where dd the better choices go?

i think it would be a good idea to have the reclycler, factory and armory ships like those in bz1 except they can delploy similar to the bz2 reclycler. I was also thinking of making the recycler able to produce a unit up to fort scrap while still undeployed. Final idea is to have a bz1 type construter but make it have the speed of about a rocket tank.

Recyclers vehicles are tracked  in bz2, you can do stuff to make it look like its hovering, but its not, it will behave like a tracked vehicle what ever you do. Fake hovering is ugly and buggy. Save yourselves all the trouble of failing to make a good hover rec, decide to make it tracked.  :-)

or wheeled. or look like a walker. or simply slide like a toboggan.

how about  tunneling units?

Quote from: mrtwosheds on September 11, 2009, 04:58:11 PM
Recyclers vehicles are tracked  in bz2, you can do stuff to make it look like its hovering, but its not, it will behave like a tracked vehicle what ever you do. Fake hovering is ugly and buggy. Save yourselves all the trouble of failing to make a good hover rec, decide to make it tracked.  :-)

With full DLL support hovering is 100% possible. For example, the real rec has no form and is kept at the center of the dummy rec. Ordering the real rec around passes orders to the dummy. Then you choose deploy and it moves to the location then deploys. Not the hardest thing to figure out. Many other options too.

still, would tunneling and undeployed production be possible?

Undeployed Production boils down to not being able to give orders to an undeployed unit in any normal sense...  You'd have to do it ALL by DLL, and the simplest way I can think of is to create a dummy Recy that's just a hovering unit, then a real Recy off the map.  The DLL can then move anything created to the current location of the dummy hovering unit.

***

I guess since the decision has been made to feature a race? faction? of Ancient Cthonians I've been asked about the BZC versions.  I know I've posted pictures in the past...  but don't seem to have many lying around other than:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s314/BZ-Avatar/HadAssTank.jpg)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s314/BZ-Avatar/KALI.jpg)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s314/BZ-Avatar/argosarray.jpg)

Basically my take on the Ancient Olympians & Hadeans is fairly well documented over at BZ2MD, including some fiction outlining various things I see as likely to have happened.

Now, I've given a nod to FE lately in 'Uncle Avatar's Storytime' in that I have Olympian refugees escaping through a Portal (like the TRO ones), and set the stage for some ideas of my own by having something mysterious happen to Paternus.

I have most of the counterpart to this written, outlining Hadean refugees getting away before the planet goes...  but in their case they get away in a starship, not through a portal.  Very important to me that they do that, btw..

***

While it would be cool if everything could fit into one huge tapestry, from BZC through BZ1 & BZ2 to FE to Fleshstorm, I don't see why it's mandatory.  If you all have good ideas and the will to make them real then there shouldn't be anything restricting your vision, especially my own half-done ideas.

So go for it...   :)

-Av-

I have 1 story time still not in my wiki that I know of.

Also, BZC images:
http://www.bzcomplex.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=70
http://www.bzcomplex.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=22
http://www.bzcomplex.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=68
http://www.bzcomplex.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=69

Bearing in mind Avatar, the story being proposed is relatively near the start of the Hadean - Olympian war, and if current plans go ahead its where they first discover biometal, so it would be before they have a chance to develop its use to a level the likes of which have been seen as ruins by present day humanity.

Its also not hard to believe that later on revelations would encourage them to completely redesign some of their stuff. But I think that the way things are going at the moment the story arc would end with everyone on the planet being killed, with only biometal and the probe saying how to make it surviving.

All things considered, making this fit in with the rest of Cthonian history would probably  be quite easy if it is kept this way.The planet dies, their biometal designs get lost and so both sides begin again from scratch with it. The war involoving the third faction is lost to history and so the there are no potentially paradox causing records of the scions kept by the Cthonians.

agreed

What happens to the third faction after the homeworld is destroyed?

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 13, 2009, 05:18:30 PM
What happens to the third faction after the homeworld is destroyed?

They all die.

How can we fight them then? oh yeah time travel...

There was a race in Star Trek that traveled back in time when they found their planet was going to be destroyed so they could live in their past.

Stop posting here, and get a final story done, guys.  It's getting to the point where I'm considering just having ONE person write the story and be done with it.  We need a complete story right now, not this.

give me the main points of the story and i'll write it for you.

Quote from: iron maiden on September 15, 2009, 03:08:40 PM
give me the main points of the story and i'll write it for you.

The main points are being worked out right now http://www.bzuniverse.com/forum/index.php/topic,9788.75.html (http://www.bzuniverse.com/forum/index.php/topic,9788.75.html)

How is this for a basic scout?

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pspE3TNSjcViLQP9vbnP6RtncNPDlEwEHjchVDgITk3c-Ul7CzELJamiJ_2SliCl4xYPpsoaDSDFwxJ_SFEUg61Tx2Ep3iEZm/scout.jpg)

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pspE3TNSjcVhP2CPMmBfNMXCguhhHna_3hPzOiXL2lmfkdqjTuRGI0zQ8oP5A0Iksqq-LMd-I7PlQLhCYIyIiWsZry9KTfMI6/scout12.jpg)

looks fine, if i may recommend weapons

Default,

Particle or minigun[or a weapon of the sorts
an efficient heat seeking missile, similer to photon torpedo or shadower.
phantom vir, if your a scout, its good not to be seen.

Quote from: iron maiden on September 15, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
looks fine, if i may recommend weapons

Default,

Particle or minigun[or a weapon of the sorts
an efficient heat seeking missile, similer to photon torpedo or shadower.
phantom vir, if your a scout, its good not to be seen.

I'd actually like to change it to a tank because scouts generally have the cockpit in the back and I don't think this looks quite like a scout. Hadean weapons will do well for this race cause their all fiery.

in that case,

defualt

dragon blast cannon
shell gun
flame mine
phantom vir or the hadean equivalent

But we should still make some of our own weapons.

agreed

Bear in mind how much the hadeans will change. We cannot just use them from FE.

And this actually looks like a better scout to me. The ISDF scout is the only canon one with a further back cockpit.

Quote from: AHadley on September 16, 2009, 01:11:26 AM
Bear in mind how much the hadeans will change. We cannot just use them from FE.

And this actually looks like a better scout to me. The ISDF scout is the only canon one with a further back cockpit.

The Hadean and the Cerberi ones have a far back cockpit. I'll just make a lot of units and then we can sort them out.

That's the ticket.

Here's what i envisioned for a tank or missile scout. Of course we can make up our own units if we want to.

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p_Q1mUWhV5r630pIJel_IKoqxw2-YGd5BQI-zw0AHzsVSDR23q_IKggR8sZVUfS4JfFnydewhQBu2QnKvQFE-hmoFLH27qOUB/Birdshot1.jpg)

Well what do you know. The names are tied.

I know, its just plain irritating,

I'll call a halt to the vote in a week or so, hopefully by then it'll be resolved :P.

i like the design except it is kinda similar to a warrior, perhaps if you made it so that there is one set of wings on the top and bottom

I'll work on it.

That's because the names suck.

How about Metians, the original and one that actually sounds pretty cool for a race. Better than Phosphorus.

But Metians sounds like meat. and Phosphorus is the main ingredient in matchheads. Phoenix fits the race like a glove.

agreed, phosphornii sound much better.

The vote is slanted. It doesn't give a neither option.

If you haven't voted yet vote for one or the other and break the tie and be done with it.

My vote could be the breaker.

Somebody start making their case quick why either of these names doesn't sound really dumb and then maybe I'll put one in..

Phosphornii has an "n" that makes it sound like fornicate and a "p"that with the "n" makes it look like porn.

I'm officially putting in my vote for neither name.  I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 17, 2009, 09:27:47 AM
Phosphornii has an "n" that makes it sound like fornicate and a "p"that with the "n" makes it look like porn.

You've completely restated my reasons why not to vote for these :(  :|

Then vote for Phosphorii because it doesn't have the "n" that does this.

I really don't understand why this vote is between only two items.  Especially when the items in question are so close in nature to one another.  As bb1 said, it needs a "Neither" option.

Because so many people liked the phoenix idea. The Latin alternative is Incendaquilii and i don't think many people want that.

Or we could, you know, finish writing a story before going into details like this...  I personally think that's a better option.

I just wanted to settle the N or not issue, we can change the name later completely if it is called for,

there would be a poll with more options, but when I gave the criteria for suggestions, I felt that people disregarded it.

the poll has failed anyway, I'll get rid of it.

Incendaquilii

Now that's a cool name. Why'd you dump on it? Shortened would be Indi kind of like Jerrys and such.

Its just too long. How bout Incendii?

I hate them all.

incendii could work

Quote from: Nielk1 on September 17, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
I hate them all.

Ditto.

Then how about we call them the *Ammo*tards.

Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 17, 2009, 06:47:08 PM

Quote from: Nielk1 on September 17, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
I hate them all.

Ditto.

Well your no fun.

I liked the original ones: Metians or Gaians.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 17, 2009, 08:00:36 PM
Well your no fun.

No, we just happen to state how we feel.

Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 17, 2009, 08:12:29 PM
I liked the original ones: Metians or Gaians.

I'd go with gaians but lots of people liked phosphorii.

Don't be butthurt. The names originally were fine.

The trouble now is how we get people to pronounce Gaians equally across the board.

The name sounds like one that won't be inclined to war and only peace, so when things go out of hand it is like a layer of depth added.

Quote from: bb1 on September 17, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
The trouble now is how we get people to pronounce Gaians equally across the board.

Gaia is pronounced "Gaya," so would it be pronounced "Gayans," or do we want a different pronounciation?

I would pronounce it Guy-ans.

That's what I thought initially.  But it seems that Gay-a is the official pronounciation.

Quote from: Clavin12 on September 17, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
I'd go with gaians but lots of people liked phosphorii.

It sounds like a luminescent noodle.

Your not pronouncing it right. You guys were all excited about it earlier. Are we still going with the phoenix idea? I think it really works. and here's one example. This is a turret or i could cut the bottom off and make it a gun tower.

(http://zllxew.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pZRTT-4yr4AInbUC1G_0MdKv7Acm7X_H83alXL0Vk5QppnJU_xsYgQnbX8SV41-He0pwWGSofG3WGuRwyybVk7Bb22uOyovr7/Turret%20Shot.jpg)

Excited about what?  I was never excited about the possibility of using "Phosphorii" or "Phosphornii."

I wasn't exactly talking about you. What if we got rid of the double i ending and named them the Incendians.

Because that just makes me think about Harry Potter...

Or XMen. That ...whatchyamacallit looks way too static to be a turret/unit in general. It would be a cool prop though. Rotate it back 90 degrees and it can be a cool park bench for the intro!

In all seriousness, Guy-ens or Gay-ens could cause some controversy. The best way to do it is let the VO guys have at it. If everyone pronounces it differently, then hey you've got a running gag. Eventually, though, settle on something. Have one character say it wrong the whole time, regardless how many times he is told. Personally, I would say Guy-ens just because. Little things like pronunciation are unimportant, especially since that is part of the fun being VO.

A. gaians can easily be misconstrued and we don't want that, i am still going with phosphorii and the Phoenix idea.

B.The turret model looks to much like a swarm unit. make it have a sturdier body and switch to either dual rotating cannons or single rotating canon.

How about we be more simple about it? I just made up a new word by sticking two other ones together for 'serenesis'

Phixii?

Sounds like pixie...

Quote from: iron maiden on September 18, 2009, 03:03:18 PM
A. gaians can easily be misconstrued and we don't want that

How?

I really don't understand that, either.  Unless he's just talking about how it can be pronounced.  "People from Gaia" doesn't seem too easily misconstrued.

Arcadians
Arkadians

And various mispellings of a random word?

Quote from: VSMIT on September 20, 2009, 01:48:12 AM
I really don't understand that, either.  Unless he's just talking about how it can be pronounced.  "People from Gaia" doesn't seem too easily misconstrued.

Becuase, somehow, one person pointed out that an idiot might mispronounce it as gay-ans, and now no-one likes it any more. :P

If you get your panties in a bunch because someone mispronounces a word, you don't deserve to use the internet.

Gaians is the cheesiest of them all.

How unoriginal and boring.

Let's write the story before we do any of this. Once we have a story, we can choose a name that will fit the new race.

Quote from: sabrebattletank on September 20, 2009, 07:11:03 AM
Gaians is the cheesiest of them all.

How unoriginal and boring.

Why?

Why is it unoriginal, boring, and cheesy?

would phenoxii be a good suggestion?

No.

perhaps we should try to find a word crossed between Phoenix, which we basically agreed is their symbol, and three, or a variant of the word, as they were the third race.

I agreed to no such thing.

perhaps not you, still, clavin and i both like the idea as do i believe others in the project.

1. Write the story
2. Name the races

Once we get a good idea of what we're doing we can do the polishing. Right now we need a story to work with so we can be more efficient in modding.

i'm beginning to agree, i think Mr.X should close this topic and create a new one when we have a solid storyline.

Quote from: sabrebattletank on September 20, 2009, 07:11:03 AM
Gaians is the cheesiest of them all.

How unoriginal and boring.

Says a guy on a forum for a game with the name 'Battlezone'.  :-P

Quote from: bigbadbogie on September 20, 2009, 04:22:23 PM
Says a guy on a forum for a game with the name 'Battlezone'.  :-P

Fair enough. :p

But also Gaians as a name seems to me very standard. True? How many races/creatures/things can you think of that are a variation of Gaea? How many of Phosphoroni?

Edit: Let's move on, or perhaps pause this discussion until we can get a storyline hammered out.

agreed, but whenever we try to, something else comes up

Those speed bumps are part of the natural progression of the storytelling.

Yes I agree. I think it was wise to narrow the writers down to two as well.

I think I might lock this. We are worrying too much on naming the races and designing them. Let's get a storyline written out first, then we can decide on all the aesthetics and details.

If this turns out unnecessary, it can be unlocked by another local mod, but we are getting ahead of ourselves here.