why r u deleting post???

[Zero Angel]

Uh oh aoug. So then just put a turret at the door. That would be a nice welcome.

Yeah, maybe you can use your time machine to go back to the part where aougs teammates just lost their ships, the pools are under attack from the lone chain commander and there is 3 turrets in base guarding sensitive areas on both sides of the recy and behind the factory, maybe then you can suddenly appear and say 'put a turret behind your recy, no you dont need scavs or ships, the unlikely event of pumm rushed by a lone noob in the back of your recy is upon you' maybe you can go back then and tell him that.  

When BZ2 first came out

Who cares about hoote that happened "when BZ2 first came out"? The DM'ers never stick around for long, the MPI'er play their games of Starfleet and are gone in a matter of weeks (except for a few), its the same old hoot and the *real* players are the ones who stick through it and who still play after all these years, and you know the game that keeps them playing? Its called Strat, its not called DM, and its not called MPI.

I look forward to playing some good games with 'avatar', the same one who thinks he can define what real players are, because after 2 1/2 years in the Battlezone, I still havent had the privilige.

[spAce]

There is nothing else i can say than sorry.
Didnt notice ur hull damage at all and i dont understand what u were sniping inside rec (dont know if u can shoot trough rec walls)

Maybe i made strategic mistake by thinking that u are more usefull in ship killing scavs.. sorry tv

didnt have chance to say it earlier cause u left..

[NukeDaddy]

the *real* players are the ones who stick through it and who still play after all these years, and you know the game that keeps them playing? Its called Strat, its not called DM, and its not called MPI.

That's odd.  When playing DM or an MPI, I FEEL like I'm *real*.  Must be an illusion.

[deadscion]

Who cares about hoote that happened "when BZ2 first came out"? The DM'ers never stick around for long, the MPI'er play their games of Starfleet and are gone in a matter of weeks (except for a few), its the same old hoot and the *real* players are the ones who stick through it and who still play after all these years, and you know the game that keeps them playing? Its called Strat, its not called DM, and its not called MPI.

Speak for yourself dude I am a dedicated MPI'er to the end.

[TimeVirus]

NP Space, I realize it was just a misunderstanding. I was just making the point to counter your remarks about 1.3 removing assholish behaviour which of course is ridiculous. In another game my base was hover camped the entire game. Hover is gone? Ha! The turrets are apparently powerless against scouts arcing over them.

[Aegeis]

Um yeh, it was in jest that I told him that. I already know he knows how to deal with it as I play with aoug alot.

[Zero Angel]

Yes, its an illusion, all in your head. *waves hands*  

Forgot about your crowd DS   . I meant to say that most MPI players that i've seen are gone in a matter of weeks. The dedicated strat playing crowd seems larger overall; thus composing most of the 'real' players. And yes, you Nuke and DS are dedicated players and the fact that you guys host games for the rest of the community and put up with newbs like the rest of us make you 'real' players and real assets.

Um yeh, it was in jest that I told him that. I already know he knows how to deal with it as I play with aoug alot.

Yeah, I know. I'm just yanking your chain, bud  

[Avatar]

[quote="Zero Angel]I look forward to playing some good games with 'avatar', the same one who thinks he can define what real players are, because after 2 1/2 years in the Battlezone, I still havent had the privilige.

*SIGH*

I'm not the one defining what "REAL" players are, I'm the one saying we're ALL real players.  It's the "REAL" players that are saying only THEY are "REAL" players.  I find that offensive and arrogant.

I don't deny that Strat should be set up for Strat players.  I've never said otherwise.  I only ask that they stuff their arrogance and give everyone the respect they deserve, and realize that some aspects of the game may have to compromise so that all game types benefit.  I highly respect the opinions of players like WD(FE), TV, etc. when it comes to aspects of Strat that are 'on the line'.  Every effort should be made to make the Strat game what Strat Players enjoy.

You wouldn't enjoy playing me in a Strat as I'd be no challenge.  You'd walk all over Ice and me in the first few minutes.  I'd hate to waste your time like that.

I don't enjoy Strat.  I like DM, COW games, MPI and 'tinkering under the hood'.  I'm more modder than anything else I guess...

-Av-

[Zero Angel]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Avatar]

Thank you for listening.  I ramble sometimes...

It's all about respect in so many parts of our lives.  A little respect for others goes a LONG way, and you won't get it unless you give it.

A personal note:

The day Wardog left the beta was a very dark day for me.  Of all the Strat Players I know he seems to have an instinctive grasp of what's important to the FUN part of the game.  He's a very REAL guy, with only a touch of arrogance...     I relied heavily on his input as to what was going wrong balance-wise, and tried to get him to hang in there through the boring part (bug hunts) until balance could be addressed.

NOW is the time for the Strat players to hammer on the game, trying variants of units to refine them into the fun toys they should be.  I'm sure us Modders will be only too happy to run the toys through their paces to get them in shape for the long haul...

-Av-

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

well avatr we hmm ill use other word the long time players (is that ok?)
were barly asked, as it was said we "almost" have our own community and we dont check this boards, we get alot of disrespect to you guys - its 2 sided


but think of something... lets say u studied hmm i dont know u studied A for 5 years... then comes some1 that just read a lil book of 10 pages about A
and tells you what to do and how A works and how to do A
im sure ull get pissed....

its not exactly the same but thats the way i feel and i think alot of other long time players feel...
i accutly see your behavior as arrogant by not consulting us and forcing us to do stuff without listening to us, by deleting our posts with our opnions
we got pissed - i think we're allowed to...
but if u just delete and lock it'll just make them (or us) just madder
talk politetly - act maturer - i tihnk thats the way to calm them down and still act smarter

my moto is "getting pissed is punshing yourself over stupiedy of others"
and no offense to you guys but i think strat invovled both Strat and DM (and mpis - bla) now, even though you might playing dm for along time im sure if ill get a strat player that play same time he'll be more skillful..
but again - w/e makes you hf.. thats what the game is for
but i think we - the long time players deserve some more respect due to donating and "studing" it like with A example above...

[Avatar]

I know what you're saying, but it can be turned around....  

The DM'ers thought the exact same way about Straters.  The DM'ers couldn't adapt, and didn't stick around to try to help make the game fun for them, too.  Now they're almost gone.

I don't want the current Strat players to end up the same way.  They shouldn't run off in disgust.  I don't want them dissing the rest of the players, but I don't want them going away either.  They need to stay.  They need to experiment.  They need to report what's good, what's bad, and what needs to change.  There's a good start with what DeadScion suggested being tested right now.

People need to NOT throw a tantrum if what they want can't be done for some reason.  Testing takes huge amounts of patience and understanding.  Come up with alternatives.  Suggest changes, don't demand them.  Understand that there's a LOT of different views and have some patience when everyone is shouting at the same time.

Just don't give up.  This is when we need to hear views in a clear, helpful voice.

-Av-

[PhoeniX-FlamE]

alright, i guess you got some points...

now, 1 lil question

is it ok that i open a topic - maybe u can even stick it about hovering...
why its taken away, civilized posts - everything....
cause "it wasnt intend to be" doesnt stasify me... and its fun for those who lerant it - bah can we just open a civilized topic about it?
once and for all? plz?

[SuperSponge]

Ok i think a civilized thread about this would be good but imho the anger and commotion between players and developers comes from both sides.

Please with all respect accept that people who played this patch first were dissapointed and angry too. They might have posted some bad things but it was with a good thought to "improve" this patch. But when the post was with the slitest "disrespect" it got removed. It's understandable that everyone who worked hard for this patch thinks it's disrespect for them but when you just remove the posts it will make the players angry too.

So please can we cut this out? Just let people post and show some understanding. Avatar i think you're trying to help but you're still getting back on the way bz2 was ment to be. You got to think in the here and now. This game has been released a long time ago and people like it the way it is. I think this mess hadnt took place if you guys just listened to everyone.

[Speedy]

You may talk about it as much as you want however:

Ken, an original Pandemic programmer, rewrote the physics code. Hovering is gone for good.